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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; Overtaxed; g'nad; JenB; HairOfTheDog; Corin Stormhands
For instance, did you know in at least one version of the Tale of Beren and Luthien, Beren was an Elf? Amazing but true!

But then JRRT came to his senses. ;^)

Seriously, having Beren as an elf would take away from the story, wouldn't it?

10,137 posted on 06/20/2002 8:27:29 AM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen; Overtaxed; g'nad; JenB; HairOfTheDog; Corin Stormhands
having Beren as an elf would take away from the story, wouldn't it?

The version with the elf-Beren is the one presented in The Book of Lost Tales. I thought it did take away from the story, and apparently JRRT thought so too. If I read the history of it right, the earliest version of the story had Beren as a man; then JRRT switched him to a Noldoli elf (precursor to the Noldor); then switched him back to a man. Sauron, who appears in that tale, went through changes a lot more radical than that, however.

10,139 posted on 06/20/2002 8:43:20 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: ksen; Overtaxed; Bear_in_RoseBear; JenB; HairOfTheDog; Corin Stormhands
I gotta admit, in the prologue of FOTR, I was impressed by the swords the Elves were armed with. Heavy cutting blade, with a substantial grip, not unlike a Katana, only with a heavier blade and no handguard to speak of. With the relatively short blade and long two-handed grip, these blades would be light, agile, and lethal like you would expect from Elvish weapons:

I knew I had seen variations of this blade design before. Below is a Cossack design, but made for one-handed use(from horseback)...it's a simpler design; the blade does not have swell in width toward the end, and lacks a blood groove.

I was looking for a good example of a heavy Tulwar or Falcion, which the Elvish swords strongly resemble. The only thing I could come up with was this primitive example:

This should in no way be construed to be an apology for my Elf-bashing...I just know a good blade/weapon when I see it...

Don't even get me started on their girly-armor...

10,143 posted on 06/20/2002 10:20:19 AM PDT by g'nad
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