Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.
In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:
Our discussion has been light:
It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog
However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB
Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr
Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog
Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB
Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed
To the very philosophical:
…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla
To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…
…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB
Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog
…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1
Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed
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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom
…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253
Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed
So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.
My wife, and more frequently my daughter, use plain canned tomato sauce and then spice it up themselves, yummm.
We're looking at making the trip next summer. Can we stay with you?
Actually, I have enough Marriott points to cover our hotel stay. But we'd like to get in the parks and we'd like to eat. (Plus we want the little one to be a little older)
I'll let you check it all out and tell us what to look for.
How many of you are there? We have a three bedroom home so I'm sure we could fit you. If you have boys we could stack them with my boys. ;^)
I also have an aunt in town who has an in-law apartment for when my grandmother comes down in the winter. She's let missionaries stay there before, so maybe I could get you in there. Keep me posted if you want, either here or via FReepmail.
We used to live in DC, so we got a lot of "family" tourist business. I wouldn't do that to you.
We have two boys. But like I said, we've got the Marriott points to be able to stay on property.
Still, we should plan to get together. Maybe g'nad will ship us some fresh venison and home brew. Or better yet, maybe he'll bring it along.
I've been waiting for this. Is this in Beta only, or in FR itself?
You couldn't drag me to Disney...I won't support that corrupt, immoral corporation...
But I've been known to drive 1000 miles for a good party...
That thing started out as an opus, but turned into a general flame war. Haven't you had enough of that kind of thing on the religion forum? In any case, I think that our 'Long Expected Party' will be tomorrow, Wednesday. The alternative would be so late tonight that most of us will have retired.
Absolutely, I just didn't want them to think they could catch up with us...
(dialing the phone) Honey, do we have plenty of coffee in the house? ;-)
Uh, okay. Tomorrow it is...
diga que?
I always make my sauces from scratch.
In FR itself.
But, how did you do it? My subscriptions only list the News/Activism options.
I am having a bad day.
I have to go on an unexpected long road trip tomorrow (My drive time round trip alone will be 11 hours) to cover for someone else who suddenly can't go, so if there is a party, I will miss it. Wouldn't be the first time I am in the wrong place at the right time!
(drive safely)
If you click you name and look in settings or something you can choose what order and how many threads to display in your sidebars... I have breaking news, My state news and Hobbit Hole.
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