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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Rocko
No Goldberry?

Hey, the fish were ten cents each. With my wife's Wal-Mart discount, they were nine cents each. We can only afford so much...

Plus my son's only seen the movie. He decided he could then go straight to The Two Towers. I tried to straighten him out. But he's 13.

9,381 posted on 06/15/2002 5:15:28 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Relaxing here.

Relaxing here as well, watching Texas vs. Rice in the College World Series on ESPN. Texas is leading 1-0 in the 6th inning, by the way. Watcha readin?

Speaking of fish, we had fish for dinner earlier this evening... take out from a local seafood house. Was very good, and I think the dessert waiting in the fridge is starting to call my name....

9,382 posted on 06/15/2002 5:37:54 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog
We should make sure the place looks nice if they come.

I guess I have to take down my HOT! HOT! HOT! pictures then, right?

9,383 posted on 06/15/2002 5:47:03 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Corin Stormhands
We named them: Frodo, Samwise, Merry and Pippin.

If you are anything like me, you are going to be flushing your hobbits down the toilet by the time TTT comes out.

9,384 posted on 06/15/2002 5:48:47 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
watching Texas vs. Rice in the College World Series on ESPN.

For some reason, I have never really liked college baseball. Are you saying that their World Series is an all-Texas affair?

9,385 posted on 06/15/2002 5:52:08 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
For some reason, I have never really liked college baseball. Are you saying that their World Series is an all-Texas affair?

Same here actually... don't really care that much for pro baseball either. But it's the home team (Texas) playing, so we're watching. It's not an all-Texas affair yet, eight teams were invited to play in a double-elimination tournament. It's still the first round... Stanford beat Notre Dame earlier today.

Texas leading Rice 1-0 in the bottom of the 7th, now.

9,386 posted on 06/15/2002 5:59:02 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla; Corin Stormhands
you are going to be flushing your hobbits down the toilet by the time TTT comes out.

You know, I was thinking the same thing... was going to suggest Gildor, Glorfindel, Bombadil, and Goldberry as more appropriate names, since none of them made it into the final cut of the movie...

9,387 posted on 06/15/2002 6:11:20 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Rocko
No Goldberry?


9,388 posted on 06/15/2002 6:20:54 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Eww, is that supposed to be Goldberry? I never thought of her as looking that... sad.

Texas up 2-1, bottom of the 8th, Rice at bat...

9,389 posted on 06/15/2002 6:26:07 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Looking around... hmm...
9,390 posted on 06/15/2002 6:55:03 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Thought some Hobbits would be around, with the Precious so close...
9,391 posted on 06/15/2002 6:55:29 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
It's a long sneak, but probably the only way I'd ever get it...
9,392 posted on 06/15/2002 6:56:03 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Texas is still up 2-1 over Rice, Rice at bat in the 9th...
9,393 posted on 06/15/2002 6:56:24 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I know it's a long sneak...
9,394 posted on 06/15/2002 6:56:53 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Sorry for bringing the thread closer to imminent destruction...
9,395 posted on 06/15/2002 6:57:31 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Didn't think of you as a sneak!!
9,396 posted on 06/15/2002 6:57:41 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
But it calls to me...
9,397 posted on 06/15/2002 6:57:52 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
And I must make the attempt...
9,398 posted on 06/15/2002 6:58:12 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
With no Hobbits around to thwart me...
9,399 posted on 06/15/2002 6:58:30 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Or Dwarves, for that matter...
9,400 posted on 06/15/2002 6:58:46 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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