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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Corin Stormhands

9,201 posted on 06/13/2002 10:48:18 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands; HairoftheDog
Ah, the dwarf wins and can go to bed now...it's very late.
9,202 posted on 06/13/2002 10:48:49 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog
Mr. Ginsu loses again!
9,203 posted on 06/13/2002 10:49:27 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog
Well, I've done all the damage I can do here. G'nite. (it's almost 2:00 a.m. here)
9,204 posted on 06/13/2002 10:51:01 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Ginsu hobbit was not trying to win...
9,205 posted on 06/13/2002 10:51:18 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
Would't want Corin to feel Dwarferior...
9,206 posted on 06/13/2002 10:52:23 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Ginsu hobbit was not trying to win...

Yeah, right. ;-)

G'nite.

9,207 posted on 06/13/2002 10:55:21 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog;JenB;ecurbh;all
Well, we are now up to 250 posts a day! If JenB and ecurb aren't ready soon, the change at 10,000 posts question will be moot.
9,208 posted on 06/13/2002 11:33:33 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: 2Jedismom
Did you notice Sauron's big old ring (huge) shrinking to a more normal size in Isildur's hand?

Yes, I did notice that!

...and Picard is a mealy-mouthed PC wuss! The only time I like him is when Q is jerking his chain.

Too bad Jeffery Hunter's wife talked him out of the Star Trek role...sigh.

9,209 posted on 06/14/2002 3:23:24 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: All
Good Morning, everyone! Start the day out right!


9,210 posted on 06/14/2002 3:32:44 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: All
Oh! I was forgetting;


9,211 posted on 06/14/2002 4:47:25 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
65,535. The largest value possible for a 2-byte integer field.

So if we're trying to sneak up on the magic number 65,535 and someone posts 65,536 using the shotgun approach, will the server crash?

9,212 posted on 06/14/2002 4:52:15 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed;ksen
So if we're trying to sneak up on the magic number 65,535 and someone posts 65,536 using the shotgun approach, will the server crash?

Well JohnRob, and Kevin would know more than I, but what I think is that if we were up to 65,535, and someone tried to make another post, FR would refuse to accept the post.

9,213 posted on 06/14/2002 5:08:22 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
FR would refuse to accept the post.

Well that's not very dramatic! [pout]

9,214 posted on 06/14/2002 5:15:26 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
I guess you can put that shotgun down now. ;^)

I have invoices I need to get out this morning so I will not be in much until during/after lunch.

Play nice.

Don't blow anything valuable up.

9,215 posted on 06/14/2002 5:41:47 AM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
Don't blow anything valuable up.

I am averse to laboratory explosions although I have had a hot plate or two short out on me! :)

9,216 posted on 06/14/2002 5:56:26 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed; all
So if we're trying to sneak up on the magic number 65,535 and someone posts 65,536 using the shotgun approach, will the server crash?

I'm afraid your time with the precious may be giving you delusions of grandeur.

Morning all. Just not enough sleep last night at all...

9,217 posted on 06/14/2002 5:59:36 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
All your servers are belong to me! Anyway...you've held the Precious longer than I have!
9,218 posted on 06/14/2002 6:03:13 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Anyway...you've held the Precious longer than I have!

Yes, I have it now as a matter of fact.

Must've been my seeing the movie again last night...

9,219 posted on 06/14/2002 6:14:25 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Overtaxed
...and Picard is a mealy-mouthed PC wuss

Don't hold back, OT...you should let us know what you really think! ;-)

9,220 posted on 06/14/2002 7:31:17 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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