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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: HairOfTheDog
Hey - look at that! - I got 900! [flitty dance!]
901 posted on 03/24/2002 6:01:03 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog

Uh oh,Mordor has nukes.

902 posted on 03/24/2002 6:02:01 AM PST by damnlimey
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To: damnlimey
Uh oh,Mordor has nukes.

Dang - I thought we took care of Mordor years ago!

903 posted on 03/24/2002 6:04:57 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Something is in the air

Perhaps they sense Spring? It started Wednesday!

Just finished french toast with bacon and juice. Now for coffee! I'm downloading Sam's poem.

904 posted on 03/24/2002 6:06:05 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: damnlimey
Looks like we needed some sustainable harvest practices in Mirkwood...
905 posted on 03/24/2002 6:07:10 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
For what it is worth. Not much, of course, we can't sue him.

Let's sue him anyway! :)

No wait...it'll end up some lawyer getting rich. Never mind.

906 posted on 03/24/2002 6:07:52 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: 2Jedismom
There is just a few lines of it... then it goes into interviews and other things... Some of the other clips at the publisher's site are worthwhile too....
907 posted on 03/24/2002 6:08:34 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Well I'll be. Frodo could have taken the train to Rivendell!
908 posted on 03/24/2002 6:10:51 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
All those big cities ,the lumber has to come from somewhere.
I wonder how many spotted owls had to die to build whoville(whoville?)
909 posted on 03/24/2002 6:12:19 AM PST by damnlimey
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To: damnlimey
There is no Whoville in Middle Earth!... Nor Grinches... ;~D
910 posted on 03/24/2002 6:14:09 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: damnlimey
I think our cartographer got confused... I think Hobbits are much more Libertarian than Socialist anyhow... Unless things went downhill fast after our hobbits departed over the sea.
911 posted on 03/24/2002 6:16:51 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Maps don't lie.Take the southwestern line from Rivendell,first stop Whoville,say hi to cindy loo for me.; >)
912 posted on 03/24/2002 6:18:34 AM PST by damnlimey
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To: HairOfTheDog
Sharkey's return!
913 posted on 03/24/2002 6:18:40 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: damnlimey
It's not bad enough that we have orcs to deal with. Now we have those sorry Who's moving in!
914 posted on 03/24/2002 6:20:24 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: damnlimey
Well, I guess Who-folk are harmless... We aren't likey to have any trouble from them.
915 posted on 03/24/2002 6:21:21 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
P.E.T.A. appeared harmless at first but they spawned the Earth Liberation Front,
E.L.F.
Coincidence,I think not,we need to round up all the elves right now and close the borders.
916 posted on 03/24/2002 6:25:51 AM PST by damnlimey
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To: HairOfTheDog
We aren't likey to have any trouble from them.

Just an overproduction of sugary sweetness...will depress honey and sugar prices.

917 posted on 03/24/2002 6:26:28 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: damnlimey
Coincidence,I think not,we need to round up all the elves right now and close the borders.

Hehehe. Just wait 'til Jen gets here. :D

The Elves are on their way out anyway.

918 posted on 03/24/2002 6:29:37 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
Well at least a few of the predictors are giving our film a chance!

On AOL IM they have a link to Entertainment Weekly's Oscar predictions, giving horse race type odds for the major categories. They show PJ and Ian McKellan as slight favorites, and ABM nosing out LOTR for Best Picture (3-2 for ABM and 2-1 for LOTR). They give reasons for and against each contender in each contest, in all cases the reason against LOTR is that it is a fantasy and 'fantasies don't win'. As an example of this they cite Star Wars not winning, which makes me think that they haven't seen the movie.

They do suggest that voters may wait until the trilogy is finished to give awards. The idea that PJ is more likely to beat Opie than LOTR is to defeat ABM seems to go against most other commentary I have heard. Oh well, about thirteen and a half hours to go!

919 posted on 03/24/2002 6:29:58 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Penny1
Yep! Just saw the poem snippit! Aston has a beautiful voice!
920 posted on 03/24/2002 6:36:02 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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