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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: Lil'freeper
But then, I'm really rotten at crosswords.
46,481 posted on 12/10/2002 5:59:43 AM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: Lil'freeper
Nope, you're right! Treebeard!
46,482 posted on 12/10/2002 6:01:21 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
My internet is giving me trouble, so I suppose I should just shower and get on my way! - I have to pick up my friend at 8:45 to take him to his appointment.

If I don't check back in, it is because I can't!
46,483 posted on 12/10/2002 6:05:31 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Lil'freeper
Ok, I'm done except for

21 Down
22 Down
65 across
90 across
46,484 posted on 12/10/2002 6:06:43 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: Sam Cree
Yeesh! I've got to do alot of explaining with you. I'm going to have to send you my kit -- how to read my mind and receive instant clarification of everything I'm thinking (even when I'm not clear)! :)

Netanyahu used that line on Tim Russert after Russert said "well... people don't think the West is under threat by Islamic terrorists". Netanyahu responded: "Well, that's because their understanding of history goes to breakfast." Which I thought summed it up pretty well.

People (not all people... so, I'm not making any judgments or being condescending to anyone... I'm explaining Bibi's thought here. I agree with Bibi, but no one take offense... I'm not looking for an argument) who do not realize the threat the West finds itself under probably do not have a clear understanding of the history of the last 100 years. Their understanding of the conflict goes back so far and stops. That's why they can say... "nah, there's no threat..." If you understood the whole history of Islam... and the Crusades, and the colonization of the Middle East, and the Zionists, and the Israeli/Arab conflict, and the defeat of the Soviets in Afghanistan, and 10 years of non-retaliation of America on terrorism. If you understand what Resolution 242 says and how it has been perverted by the media... etc. Then you might have different opinion of whether we were under threat (or not).

After 9/11, when I began to study I had a very simplistic view of why we were attacked. My understanding of history went to breakfast (very shallow). As I began to learn, my understanding grew. The deeper I delved the more I'm convinced it is a clash of civilizations.

I hope that clarifies it a bit more. I will get that kit to you in the mail.

46,485 posted on 12/10/2002 6:07:12 AM PST by carton253
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To: Lil'freeper
Yeah! I just got 90 across.
46,486 posted on 12/10/2002 6:07:45 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
21 down: eye

But the other's have me stumped as well. I don't have any references with me here at work today.

46,487 posted on 12/10/2002 6:09:07 AM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: 2Jedismom
So what is 90 across?
46,488 posted on 12/10/2002 6:09:41 AM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: 2Jedismom
Into the wild...
46,489 posted on 12/10/2002 6:10:38 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Lil'freeper
Think back to bilbo's escape from the elves in Mirkwood....

The river... caught a cold?
46,490 posted on 12/10/2002 6:11:41 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Lil'freeper
OMIGOODNESS I'M SUCH A DOLT!!!!!!

I hit refresh on the WRONG WINDOW!!!! Instead of refreshing the hobbit thread- I CLEARED MY PUZZLE!!!!

AAAAAAAAAAAAGH!

46,491 posted on 12/10/2002 6:12:06 AM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: Lil'freeper
Heh - What a drag... I am off! See ya later!
46,492 posted on 12/10/2002 6:12:38 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Lil'freeper
Well, that seals it. I'll pick it up again at home. *grumble*
46,493 posted on 12/10/2002 6:12:55 AM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: Lil'freeper
The thing is, some is from the movie...some from the books! Sorta confusing. Sam's gift wasn't rope in the book.
46,494 posted on 12/10/2002 6:12:59 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog
Bubbye, have fun!
46,495 posted on 12/10/2002 6:13:20 AM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: Lil'freeper
*harumph*
46,496 posted on 12/10/2002 6:13:30 AM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: Lil'freeper
*harumph*
46,497 posted on 12/10/2002 6:13:42 AM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: Lil'freeper
*harumph*
46,498 posted on 12/10/2002 6:13:52 AM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: Lil'freeper
*harumph*
46,499 posted on 12/10/2002 6:14:03 AM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: HairOfTheDog
You're a jewel! I kept wanting to say "Into the Mine"
46,500 posted on 12/10/2002 6:14:04 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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