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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: Corin Stormhands
Sorry, Corin!

Apologizing in advance for my next snaig - hopefully sntached from your grasp! HAHAHAHAA!

46,321 posted on 12/09/2002 10:57:21 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: RMDupree
An interesting article in the LA Times:

"The films were well underway before we came into government," Clark says. "It was a giant loophole and actually cost the government and taxpayers a ton of money."

Jackson bristles at this. "It's like you're running to the finishing line and you shoot yourself in the foot," he says. "New Zealand can earn serious money, and the situation is not being assisted by shutting down tax breaks, especially considering what Australia and Canada can offer. I think it's an appalling piece of policy."

Still, it's clear that Jackson has become a national treasure here. "You can't overestimate what Peter has done," Harley says. "He's changed the scale of people's ambitions."


Jackson doesn't sound like a liberal to me!

46,322 posted on 12/09/2002 11:09:17 AM PST by John Farson
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To: John Farson
Jackson states:...and the situation is not being assisted by shutting down tax breaks...

You said: Jackson doesn't sound like a liberal to me!

I respond: I agree with your assessment wholeheartedly! :)

46,323 posted on 12/09/2002 11:26:55 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: HairOfTheDog
Here's the link: First editions of LOTR Trilogy worth $43,000......abebooks

Wow!

46,324 posted on 12/09/2002 11:32:40 AM PST by vikingchick
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To: HairOfTheDog
"Like a muscle-car with wings!"

You, as a pilot, would know more about this than me, but those fighters with radial engines had, I believe, two complete rows of radial cylinders, one right behind the other...alot of power there, almost like having 2 motors on the nose. No wonder they make a cool noise. They are loud.

Do you happen to know how many cylinders would typically be in this kind of an engine?

Oh, I just looked it up, 2 rows of 9 cylinders, for a total of 18, generating 2000 hp. The thing could fly at 426 mph. First one in service, May 1941. Could reach 40,000 ft.\


46,325 posted on 12/09/2002 11:33:57 AM PST by Sam Cree
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To: RosieCotton
If you like bands with odd instrumentation check out Flogging Molly. They are a celtic/punk band. They've posted a video here. (those on low-bandwidth connections can listen here)
46,326 posted on 12/09/2002 11:34:10 AM PST by John Farson
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To: vikingchick; All
Ahh! - I was about to cut and paste your mail message! - Wow! is right! - Any Hobbit Hole dwellers siting on a pot of gold?
46,327 posted on 12/09/2002 11:35:20 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: John Farson
Not a liberal when it comes to his hard-earned money! - Heavy taxation of honest work has converted more than a few! I can sympathize with him (I think, even though I am not nearly in his tax bracket!).
46,328 posted on 12/09/2002 11:37:58 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; Sam Cree; Corin Stormhands
You are the sweetest guys I know.

hey! what about stinky?... (sniff)

46,329 posted on 12/09/2002 11:45:25 AM PST by g'nad
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To: Sam Cree
We had one radial plane at school, a DeHavilland Beaver, the workhorse of the Alaska trade, though ours was on wheels. Huge loud powerful rattletrap it was! - Like stumping in a Hum-Vee!

Radial engines leak oil like crazy. Running or not. Heh. And when they sit, all the oil drains to the bottom cylinder... so before starting her up, we had to top off the oil and hand-turn the prop a couple times to pre-lube everything.
46,330 posted on 12/09/2002 11:49:40 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: g'nad
You are in a whole 'nother category g'nad!

I love y'all today, you know that!
46,331 posted on 12/09/2002 11:53:04 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: John Farson
Clark probably figures any money that doesn't come into the government as costing the government and the taxpayers "a ton of money." PJ should just pick up shop and move.
46,332 posted on 12/09/2002 12:01:59 PM PST by ksen
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To: ksen
From what I understand our own States could learn this tax lesson, too. Aren't our own policies driving production companies to Canada? It seems like everything is filmed up there these days.
46,333 posted on 12/09/2002 12:03:43 PM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: HairOfTheDog
Love yuh too Hair... yer quite a woman... horses, guns, planes, red meat, Tolkien...

I'm draftin' a post about somethin' that happened to me the other day... I'm thinkin' the title should be Things not to say to a State Trooper at a checkpoint, or maybe just "I thought I was gonna die...

46,334 posted on 12/09/2002 12:04:28 PM PST by g'nad
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To: g'nad
Both of those are excellent titles! - I can't wait for the story behind them!
46,335 posted on 12/09/2002 12:11:00 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom; Bear_in_RoseBear; BibChr; carton253; Corin Stormhands; ecurbh; g'nad; ican'tbelieveit; ..
'Gollum's Song' Music Video!
12/09/02, 12:34 pm EST - Xoanon

Take a look at the 'Gollum's Song' music video! The Emil'ana Torrini song is featured on 'The Two Towers' Soundtrack (out in North America December 10th). The video features a whole assortment of clips from TTT, nothing new unfortunately, but here it is! (right-click "Save Target As")

-LARGE (11.8MB)
-MED (2.2MB)
-SMALL (970K)

46,336 posted on 12/09/2002 12:20:42 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I have now seen it.... It is a collection of scenes from the first two trailers... not necessarily pertaining to the song. :~\
46,337 posted on 12/09/2002 12:25:49 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom
"Joshua after 9/11, because he was afraid to go out in the backyard for fear a plane would hit him"

'Course I worry alot that, because the U.S. is being threatened mortally by Islamist terror, that all Western civilization is also threatened. But what really gets to me emotionally is that that also means that at some level, perhaps very directly, the physical lives of my children, as well as their freedom and happiness are also being threatened.

46,338 posted on 12/09/2002 12:45:58 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: 2Jedismom
I was fishing with a couple guys in my club over the weekend, nice guys, but on the left politically (liberals, I guess), and they let me know that they don't really feel that America is being seriously threatened. Makes me think that shortsightedness or maybe blindness is part of being a liberal.
46,339 posted on 12/09/2002 12:49:53 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
Benjamin Netanyahu would say that your friends in the golf club's understanding of history goes to breakfast...
46,340 posted on 12/09/2002 12:58:44 PM PST by carton253
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