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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

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To: Sam Cree
I think "Drive" is a great song too... and I think he had the best post-9/11 song of them all, "Where Were You When the World Stopped Turning". That's also on the "Drive" CD, by the way.
45,841 posted on 12/05/2002 7:59:01 PM PST by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I like "Work in Progress", too - I think that's on that CD, but I can't remember. Don't have it - yet!
45,842 posted on 12/05/2002 8:00:17 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: John Farson
All that stuff makes sense, tho I had not thought of it before, being that no one I know my age other than me reads the stuff. I agree that Ned seems too honorable to have a bastard.
45,843 posted on 12/05/2002 8:02:57 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: All
New at the official site - profile of Gandalf the White.

Both the written and the video interviews are really good. Good interview of McKellan.

Even better, some really nice shots of Shadowfax working at liberty!

http://www.lordoftherings.net/index_editorials_gandalf.html
45,844 posted on 12/05/2002 8:04:09 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: RosieCotton
I think that's on that CD

I think it is... it's the song they're playing on the radio now, anyway!

45,845 posted on 12/05/2002 8:04:21 PM PST by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: JenB; Lil'freeper; All
I am going to read "Ainulindale" and "Valaquenta". That should do for one night and provide for some good conversation.
45,846 posted on 12/05/2002 8:05:02 PM PST by ksen
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To: All
F.Y.I. I just posted this on the 16 Minute Footage thread:


Someone at TORN has reported where you can download the 16 minute video. The clip itself is 30 MB. It played fine for me in Windows Media Player, but TORN says you might need DivX to play. I would recommend saving it to disk and then watching it, otherwise internet traffic might cause hiccups or slowdowns while watching it.

16 Minute clip

45,847 posted on 12/05/2002 8:06:36 PM PST by JameRetief
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
So the "Drive" CD is good?
45,848 posted on 12/05/2002 8:08:30 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
So the "Drive" CD is good?

Well, let me qualify my recommendation by saying that I haven't heard the entire CD. But, I like three of the songs on the CD ("Drive", "Where Were You", and "Work in Progress") so, it seems like a good bet to me!

Heh, recommendation by sampling...

45,849 posted on 12/05/2002 8:12:13 PM PST by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: ksen
That should do for one night and provide for some good conversation.

Eä! Let these things Be!

Enjoy! And have a good night! :)

45,850 posted on 12/05/2002 8:17:16 PM PST by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Good night, All. Stay warm!
45,851 posted on 12/05/2002 8:38:03 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
Good advice! Hard freeze predicted for Central Texas tonight...

Good night all!
45,852 posted on 12/05/2002 8:41:15 PM PST by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Sam Cree
...I may be the last hobbit left born in the 40's

Which of us is the eldest TooK? Or are we Ents?

3-14-1941

45,853 posted on 12/05/2002 8:59:27 PM PST by DonnerT
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To: HairOfTheDog; Corin Stormhands; Overtaxed; Bear_in_RoseBear; JenB; 2Jedismom; ksen; Penny1; ...
Evening folks!

I have finally managed to put up an image gallery of stuff I have collected in my travels over the internet. It's not much to look at yet, and not linked in to the rest of the site (such as it is) but you may be interested anyway. There are a lot of publicity photos (some great portraits), paintings by Lee-Howe-Naismith, and such. If I had more time, I would make it look pretty like the screencaps pages, and maybe sort them into some semblance of order. Maybe eventually.

Ecurbh's LotR Image Gallery

45,854 posted on 12/05/2002 9:21:11 PM PST by ecurbh
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To: ecurbh
Great work.

A few pieces of artwork that I think would be great visual imagery if conveyed accurately to film:

Pic 1
Pic 2

But there is one image that I think would be way too scary (accurate, but scary) for even the most hearty and stout among us to see on film:

*shudder*

45,855 posted on 12/05/2002 9:57:34 PM PST by JameRetief
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To: JenB; Lil'freeper; Bear_in_RoseBear; HairOfTheDog; Overtaxed; g'nad; Sam Cree; Corin Stormhands; ...
Most of us have read and are familiar with The Hobbit(TH) and The Lord of the Rings(LoTR). We read these books and love the stories and the characters that Tolkien has created for us. Many of us have attempted to read The Silmarillion(TS) but have not managed to finish. How can the same author write stories that we can’t wait to devour on the one hand, and ones that we can’t even nibble at without getting sick to our stomachs on the other?

In my opinion we are robbing ourselves of a much deeper enjoyment of the world of Middle-Earth if we don’t tackle TS and conquer it. It is in TS that we learn of the creation of Middle-Earth and the powers that inhabit it. These stories serve as the canvas on which JRRT painted TH and LoTR.

Ok, enough of the introductory remarks, on to The Silmarillion. TS is divided into five main sections. The first is “The Ainulindale” which is the account of the creation of Middle-Earth by Iluvatar with the assistance of the Ainur (or Valar). The second section is “The Valaquenta” where we are introduced to the players that helped shape Middle-Earth, i.e. the Valar, the Maiar, and the Enemies. The third, and longest, section is the “Quenta Silmarillion”. This recounts in greater detail the creation of Middle-Earth, the introduction of the Children of Iluvatar (Elves and Men), and the making and destruction of The Silmarils. The fourth section is the “Akallabeth” which is the account of the downfall of Numenor. The fifth, and final, section is “Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age”. This last section is self-explanatory.

Let’s begin our journey through The Silmarillion

The Ainulindale
The account of creation as told by Rumil of Tirion

Tolkien took great pains to communicate that LoTR was not an allegory, Christian or otherwise. The great themes of Christianity are present in LoTR, but the specifics are missing. This changes a bit in “The Ainulindale”.

”The Ainulindale” begins with the statement:

There was Eru, the One, who in Arda is called Iluvatar….

One can’t help but be reminded of Genesis 1:1, which says, “In the beginning God….” In Tolkien’s world, Iluvatar is the self-existent Creator God. Iluvatar begins his creation with the creation of the Ainur, who are later called the Valar. Tolkien translates Ainur to mean “Holy Ones”.

Iluvatar makes his creation through music. He begins a theme and each of the Ainur is given a part of their own to weave into the theme begun by Iluvatar. All of the Ainur marveled at the music of the creation, all but one. That one was named Melkor.

Melkor desired to make his own creation, and to have creatures worship him. So Melkor began making his own theme, which he weaved into Iluvatar’s theme, causing discord in the music of creation. Iluvatar eventually stopped Melkor by causing the music to cease. Iluvatar told Melkor, and the assembled Ainur, that:

…thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined.

Nothing can be done that Iluvatar does not know about and will use for his own glory.

Iluvatar then shows the Ainur what their music has created. He shows the Ainur in a vision how Middle-Earth will run its course. Iluvatar stops the vision before its consummation so the Ainur do not know what occurs after the Third Age.

The Ainur are so enthralled that a number of them want to live on Middle-Earth. Iluvatar creates Middle-Earth, just as he had shown the Ainur earlier. Some of them go to live on Middle-Earth to help create and shape the planet, on the condition that they cannot return to Iluvatar until the ages of Middle-Earth are complete.

We are then treated to an account of the Ainur attempting to create upon the earth the land and sea areas. Every thing the Ainur attempt to create, Melkor destroys. Through this process Middle-Earth receives its final shape.

In “The Ainulindale” we catch a glimpse of some of Tolkien’s theology. He believes that everything that happens is part of God’s plan for Mankind and the earth. Sometimes it is good, sometimes it is bad, but ultimately God’s plan is carried out.

45,856 posted on 12/05/2002 10:20:13 PM PST by ksen
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To: JameRetief
I love that first one too (Eowyn vs. Nazgul). In fact, I have it as my Windows startup screen.
45,857 posted on 12/05/2002 10:37:45 PM PST by ecurbh
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To: ksen
ACK! How can you say this?

and ones that we can’t even nibble at without getting sick to our stomachs on the other

I think the Silmarillion rocks!

45,858 posted on 12/06/2002 4:17:33 AM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: John Farson
Omigoodness, that overture is giving me goosebumps. THANK YOU!!! for posting it!
45,859 posted on 12/06/2002 4:27:24 AM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: ksen
In “The Ainulindale” we catch a glimpse of some of Tolkien’s theology. He believes that everything that happens is part of God’s plan for Mankind and the earth. Sometimes it is good, sometimes it is bad, but ultimately God’s plan is carried out.

Also, in the LoTR theology, not all has been revealed. Even the Valar do not know all of Illuvatar's mind- especially regarding the fate of Men and Middle-Earth. It is a source of subtle and sorrowful tension/anxiety throughout the stories. Poor Men. Death may indeed be a gift from Illuvatar, but the mystery surrounding what happens to their souls made it so easy for Melkor to turn it into a dark and fearsome thing.

45,860 posted on 12/06/2002 4:50:13 AM PST by Lil'freeper
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