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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: HairOfTheDog; ecurbh
Ooh ooh ooh! I know the answer to the riddle!

Oh...and the pictures are nice, too. Methinks ecurbh may have a new desktop picture by the end of the day. ;-) Though I suppose Uncle Theoden might have to be edited out...

Very nice!

43,961 posted on 11/26/2002 1:28:09 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton; ecurbh
LOL! - I should have edited him out as a present for ecurbh... He can add another babe to his "Babes of LoTR" desktop!

I saw the riddle at the bottom but I didn't try to read it.... BRB.
43,962 posted on 11/26/2002 1:32:38 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: RosieCotton
What is the answer to the riddle?
43,963 posted on 11/26/2002 1:34:19 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands; HairOfTheDog
Wasn't ksen planning on going "up North" for Thanksgiving? Did he call the trip off?
43,964 posted on 11/26/2002 1:36:48 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed; HairOfTheDog
Wasn't ksen planning on going "up North" for Thanksgiving?

Yeah, I think you're right. But it seems like he would've said "goodbye."

43,965 posted on 11/26/2002 1:41:07 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
But it seems like he would've said "goodbye."

I guess Men of Gondor are like that. :)

43,966 posted on 11/26/2002 1:42:48 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Not much for skivvies or long goodbyes?
43,967 posted on 11/26/2002 1:43:35 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog
What is the answer to the riddle?

Assuming the question IS LOTR related - the answer is Sam!

43,968 posted on 11/26/2002 1:51:34 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
13 children? I only know of one!
43,969 posted on 11/26/2002 1:52:38 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed
Gotten in any crap production at work? I haven't started yet. I bad.

Once I get moving, I can usually write quite a bit in a day, but starting a new section isn't something I'm very good at doing, and I'm stalling...

43,970 posted on 11/26/2002 1:52:46 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: HairOfTheDog
13 children? I only know of one!

Look at the family tree charts in the appendices.

43,971 posted on 11/26/2002 1:55:40 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
I was doing just that!

Elanor
Frodo
Rose
Merry
Pippin
Goldilocks
Hamfast
Daisy
Primrose
Bilbo
Ruby
Robin
Tolman

Funny....
43,972 posted on 11/26/2002 1:59:12 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed
That sounds really good, OT, especially the coconut cake.

Thanksgiving is often my favorite holiday.
43,973 posted on 11/26/2002 2:15:09 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: RosieCotton
Gotten in any crap production at work?

I got in about 520 words at work and since I stayed late yesterday, I came home early today. (I'm at 867 for the day so far.) I'll have more time at work tomorrow. I want to get in at least 2000 words today. I'm trying the keep the fingers moving approach and the story has certainly turned darker for my stalwart band of heroes. Maybe I shouldn't do this listening to TTT soundtrack LOL!

I'm shooting for 1000 words before 6:00.

43,974 posted on 11/26/2002 2:18:56 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
I've been very mean to my characters lately. Hmm...maybe it IS TTT influence? I have two locked up right now, and a third just lost his best friend. Only one is having a fairly decent time of it.
43,975 posted on 11/26/2002 2:21:04 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: Sam Cree
especially the coconut cake.

And get this. One sister wants me to try chocolate layers instead of yellow layers. So I thought I'd do one chocolate and one yellow, split the layers and alternate yellow and chocolate. Of course, you know what I'm going to hear: "that's not the way Grandmother did it!"

I'm just griping because I have to schedule cooking around the NaNoWriMo thing (I'm close, and there's no way I'm going to miss the 50,000 word deadline!)

43,976 posted on 11/26/2002 2:23:27 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
""that's not the way Grandmother did it!"

Sounds better.

43,977 posted on 11/26/2002 2:28:37 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: RosieCotton
Okay. I hit 1152 with 10 minutes to spare. That TTT soundtrack is definitely influencing this. One of my characters just pulled a Galadriel.
43,978 posted on 11/26/2002 2:45:37 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Halloweening?

I'm trying to get one character up to speed so he isn't totally in the dark when things really start happening next chapter. However, the guy who's supposed to be enlightening my character is being a jerk.

43,979 posted on 11/26/2002 2:49:31 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Halloweening big time. She's freaking out her allies.

1251 so far. Time for dinner.
43,980 posted on 11/26/2002 2:57:39 PM PST by Overtaxed
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