Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.
In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:
Our discussion has been light:
It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog
However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB
Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr
Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog
Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB
Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed
To the very philosophical:
…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla
To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…
…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB
Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog
…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1
Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed
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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom
…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253
Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed
So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.
I'd be happy to remedy that...
Oops! Sorry 'bout that....how about "Tissumizer probe?" No. That's not much better. :)
that's right... yer over 40... you get the roto-rooter treatment from the docs...
yer right about that...
And you didn't ask who was firing at poor Smeagol on the West Bank...
didn't have to... I figured it was open season on Smeagols in the Holy Land...
Really? Shootin' at you?
Got no problem with that... that combination sounds great together...
Anyway, the women were taking a break... and you could hear all this gun fire. I wasn't scared or anything. It was the first and last time I've heard actual gun fire.
There was also a bus bombing not far from where I lived in East Jerusalem.
The danger is there... it stays in the back of your mind... but you just go on.
Oooh! I wants, I wants I wants! Kinder eggs are cool in any case, but WHOA!
For those of you who haven't seen them before, they're chocolate eggs (pretty thin chocolate) which break apart on the center line, and then inside there's a plastic container (kind of like those bubble containers they use for toys in vending machines) with a toy inside. I had quite a collection when I was in Germany since I used to pick up two or three a week.
You couldn't see what was inside - no indication - and there were usually several different series' of toys going at once. Some the toys were surprisingly high quality for what you would expect to find in a fairly inexpensive candy. Metal figurines and such. I would send a big crate of them to my younger siblings for Christmas, and they had complete sets for some series', I think.
At one point a few years back (maybe five years ago now), there was an effort to start importing them into the states, but someone decided they were daaaaaangerous because you had to open the chocolate rather than just stick the whole thing in your mouth or someone could choke. This in spite of the fact that they're marked all over the place with stuff saying "not for children under age 3" or something along those lines.
You can still get them in Canada, but they aren't the German ones, so I doubt they have LOTR ones. But I wants!
Seriously, what happened there?
Just the fact that you dared help fellow Christians marks you as a target in the pyschos minds.
I have no comments, but I'm glad I'm not the only person to wonder about this. I'm happy they DO show the cloven horn, but I can't figger out how it got that way!
It's on sale at Tolkien Town for the low, low price of $199.95....
C'mon down to Tolkien Town!
On the bright side, this morning I contacted about every place in town who might potentially employ me.
On the not so bright side, they all said "sorry, nothing right now".
Good on yuh fer the Missionary Work...
They have something like that here in the States by Disney. They're called Wonder Balls.
Chocolate balls scored in the center, you break them open and they have Disney-character shaped sweet tarts inside with either a sticker or tattoo of a matching film character.
You never know what Disney movie you will find inside. My daughter loves them (even though I cannot STAND Eisner and the filth he has dragged Disney into).
These Kinder eggs sound far more fascinating, but unfortunately, the USA has become rather wimpified and everything is for the chillllrrrun.
It amazes me the way Isrealis have done just that all these years. They just live their lives. I have another friend who also lived in Isreal for a time, and her adult children are still there. They have my respect.
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