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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: ksen
No, ruin is a real fear, and it is so hard to talk about questions and doubts. To bring it up means we are compelled to justify our feelings by debating them if we were to disagree. And I have no reason trust in my belief over anyone else here. So shame on me if I argue and try to make anyone doubt theirs. The stakes are too high with salvation.
42,361 posted on 11/19/2002 11:59:09 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
Just for that....
42,362 posted on 11/19/2002 12:01:09 PM PST by htur_75
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To: htur_75
Thanks Ruth! - We all need a bit of that!




Right-click & "show picture" if everyone doesn't show up... We are a pretty picture all together like this!

42,363 posted on 11/19/2002 12:03:56 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
No, ruin is a real fear, and it is so hard to talk about questions and doubts. To bring it up means we are compelled to justify our feelings by debating them if we were to disagree. And I have no reason trust in my belief over anyone else here. So shame on me if I argue and try to make anyone doubt theirs. The stakes are too high with salvation.

I think the stakes are too high to NOT talk about religion.

Believe it or not religion can be discussed in a civil manner. I won't push you anymore, but let me extend an open invitation to you. If you ever have questions you can feel free to ask me. I would be honored to bat ideas back and forth with you to help you clarify things in your own mind.

42,364 posted on 11/19/2002 12:06:48 PM PST by ksen
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To: htur_75; rightwingreligiousfanatic; Overtaxed; g'nad; ksen

42,365 posted on 11/19/2002 12:09:57 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
What, pray tell, is that?
42,366 posted on 11/19/2002 12:10:50 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: ksen; All
Thanks, I am glad you are all with me...


42,367 posted on 11/19/2002 12:13:31 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; JenB
It's an elf. Isn't it Jen?

It's Dobby, the house elf in Harry Potter.

42,368 posted on 11/19/2002 12:15:11 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

You owe me a new cubicle wall, buddy! ;^) Elrond meets Pinnochio...

42,369 posted on 11/19/2002 12:15:35 PM PST by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: Corin Stormhands
Eeek.
42,370 posted on 11/19/2002 12:15:52 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; ksen
We made a promise not to lose you...and we don't mean to.
42,371 posted on 11/19/2002 12:16:10 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
[sniff!] Stop it now! I can't be bawling! What if the boss calls?
42,372 posted on 11/19/2002 12:18:12 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog

42,373 posted on 11/19/2002 12:21:14 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands; htur_75; Overtaxed; ksen; g'nad; All
Celeborn: Director of Lorien Homeland Insecurity


42,374 posted on 11/19/2002 12:22:46 PM PST by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: Corin Stormhands
You need to know that half of me wants to whack you, and half of me wants to give you a hug, and I don't know which side is gonna win.
42,375 posted on 11/19/2002 12:23:10 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
I think my elf is cuter.
42,376 posted on 11/19/2002 12:23:19 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: ksen
One thing I have to say about Hobbit Hole is that it is filled with people who have strong opinions about these types of things, but are willing to listen to others and not feel offended. I appreciate people who are willing to listen to others, even when they don't agree with them, and not push people into their own beliefs. Christ was loving and accepting of all people no matter how unlovable they were, and what they were doing. We need to follow His lead.
Anyway. To anyone who might be upset about the line of discussion....
42,377 posted on 11/19/2002 12:25:41 PM PST by htur_75
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To: HairOfTheDog
You need to know that half of me wants to whack you...

Wha'd I do?

42,378 posted on 11/19/2002 12:26:52 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Overtaxed; JenB
There is nothing cute about Dobby. He's only slightly less annoying that Jar Jar Binx
42,379 posted on 11/19/2002 12:27:35 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog
I hope my earlier preaching didn't turn you off, Hair. If it makes you feel any better, I run away screaming from those religion threads, too. And I am here if you want to bounce something off of me as well, unless it's that darn stick you like to wield.... ;^)
42,380 posted on 11/19/2002 12:31:02 PM PST by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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