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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: carton253
Smeagol Sneak!
42,101 posted on 11/18/2002 6:53:38 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
mornin' Smeags... I'm glad yer here... saved me the sneakin'...
42,102 posted on 11/18/2002 6:55:37 AM PST by g'nad
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To: All; 2Jedismom; RosieCotton
Good morning everyone!

Boss is back in town, so I wanted to get in here and serve up breakfast in case things get too busy to post.

First, strong coffee, nice and hot!! Now, for food I have prepared some french toast, scrambled eggs, bacon and sausage. Made a ham, mushroom and cheese omelet as well. Fresh biscuits and hash browns too! Plenty of ice cold milk and orange juice if you like. ENJOY!

I realize we are approaching the end of the Hobbit Hole thread. :(

Does anyone know (with certainty) which post will be the last? Are the keywords relocating as well?

2JM - Love the images from the cards. Merry looks so sweet in that one of just his face. After watching the appendices on disc, I have a whole new respect for these actors and the hard work they put into the movie.

Rosie - welcome back! Prayers headed your way for a brand new job that allows as much internet time as mine does! :)

Has anyone heard from Corin yet? Is he back safely?

42,103 posted on 11/18/2002 6:56:40 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: g'nad
Good Morning! Cold here today. The leaves are off the trees. Frost on the window. Actually turned the heat on Saturday! Sigh! Winter is here!

I watched the whole movie on Saturday night. Comments to follow.

Have a great day!

42,104 posted on 11/18/2002 6:56:57 AM PST by carton253
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To: g'nad; HairOfTheDog; John Farson
What about "An Unexpected Party" as a name for the new thread?

actually I like it...alot...

I like it too! A lot! This next thread ought to be something that would not only carry us over from the Two Towers but also ride us through to the ROTK...But "An Unexpected Party" would stay with the Tolkien theme, as would "A Long-Expected Party"...

42,105 posted on 11/18/2002 6:58:12 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: carton253
Looking forward to your comments from your Saturday viewing...
42,106 posted on 11/18/2002 7:19:19 AM PST by ksen
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To: 2Jedismom
hey 2JM... "A Long Expected Party" is a great idea too...

s' how're theboyz t'day?...

42,107 posted on 11/18/2002 7:28:27 AM PST by g'nad
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To: 2Jedismom; ItsOurTimeNow
Good Morning!

I don't think the new thread would carry us more than a year, this one is only 8 months old... and was begun long after the release of FoTR and the initial buzz about that.

The original hobbit hole was started in January. And between the two of them, carried us through the year of FoTR... So I would expect this one to be primarily covering the year of TTT.

That said, there are very few places in TTT that conjur up images of a place of hominess and comfort. We could either embrace that, and adopt a name that relates to TTT, or we could remain Hobbity and use a Hobbit Hole name again. Or a combination... I think we should keep the Hobbit Hole in the name, so folk know what it is! "The Hobbit Hole III - Journey to the Crossroads." or "The Hobbit Hole III - Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit."

We thought about The Unexpected Party and the Long-Expected Party last time around too. I liked them, but I am thinking "something TTT" now.
42,108 posted on 11/18/2002 7:29:11 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: ksen; HairOfTheDog; SuziQ
Last night I was showing Steve the LOTR tee-shirts I got when I ordered the original release and the extended release. I was just showing him that the white one was an extra large and that he would probably feel more comfortable in it, even though he'd probably like the charcoal colored one better. (It's just a large.)

He looked at them and then laid them on the dresser. I said "Oh, hang them back up, I want them to be nice for the party!"

I started helping him hang them up and he said "Is it ok if I go with you to that party?" I told him it depends.
42,109 posted on 11/18/2002 7:29:26 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Hey, An Unexpected (or Long-Expected)Party sounds good to me too!

I think that we will fill up a second thread before ROTK comes out though. Between the movie release, the DVD release and the Extended Edition DVD release, then add in the superspam - we'll polish off another thread before ROTK even starts releasing TV trailers! LOL!

42,110 posted on 11/18/2002 7:30:59 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: 2Jedismom
What about "An Unexpected Party" as a name for the new thread?

actually I like it...alot...

I like it too!

But it's not like it was actually unexpected or anything. :)

42,111 posted on 11/18/2002 7:31:34 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
"The Hobbit Hole III - Journey to the Crossroads."

Of all you mention...I like this one the best...

42,112 posted on 11/18/2002 7:32:05 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Yes, the stewed rabbit one does sound like a Guild thread. I don't want the thread to be about cooking!
42,113 posted on 11/18/2002 7:33:43 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom
Uh, what party?

Are you making him go to a line party in Oklahoma in December in a T-shirt? Brrrrrrrrrrr.....
42,114 posted on 11/18/2002 7:34:12 AM PST by ksen
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To: 2Jedismom
LOL! Where did the conversation go after "it depends"?
42,115 posted on 11/18/2002 7:34:43 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom; HairOfTheDog; RMDupree; Corin Stormhands
I still like my recommendation in #42091:

"Party at Isengard, We got Gaffer's Homebrew on tap"...
42,116 posted on 11/18/2002 7:35:00 AM PST by g'nad
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To: ksen
ksen... as our host, it is worrisome for you to say, "what party?"
42,117 posted on 11/18/2002 7:35:31 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: ksen
We wore shorts yesterday! It was absolutely beautiful!

I imagine (if he gets to go) that he'll wear a jacket!! LOL
42,118 posted on 11/18/2002 7:35:35 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: RMDupree
...then add in the superspam....

Um, what's that? :^|

42,119 posted on 11/18/2002 7:35:36 AM PST by ksen
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To: 2Jedismom
I started helping him hang them up and he said "Is it ok if I go with you to that party?" I told him it depends.

LOL! Mine too! Now that he is fully immersed in reading TTT, he is starting to get the LOTR bug BIG TIME! The name-calling (geek, nerd, addict, weirdo, etc) has virtually disappeared and he asked to see the TTT trailer on the DVD again (and pretended that he hadn't seen it yet, even though I told him that he had).

He's still in denial about his addiction, but I can see him starting to show the symptoms. BWAAAHAHAHA! *cackle*

Soon, he will be under the power of the Ring and will not hinder my journey to Entmoot.

42,120 posted on 11/18/2002 7:35:55 AM PST by RMDupree
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