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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: g'nad; HairOfTheDog
But I thought it was kinda funny....

I'm shocked at you Hair... shocked I tell you...

In that case, I won't bother looking at it.

41,421 posted on 11/14/2002 5:00:51 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: g'nad
Morning g'nad, glad you finally got the dvd.

That spiderman is pretty weird.

Morning, All.
41,422 posted on 11/14/2002 5:03:15 AM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree; g'nad
Good Morning, all!

Where's RMDupree and our breakfast?
41,423 posted on 11/14/2002 5:05:49 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
She's probably over at Farmer Maggot's "getting" it. How'd JRRT pick that name, anyway?
41,424 posted on 11/14/2002 5:07:28 AM PST by Sam Cree
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To: HairOfTheDog; RosieCotton
Did Rosie show up in chat?
41,425 posted on 11/14/2002 5:09:19 AM PST by ksen
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To: Sam Cree
How'd JRRT pick that name, anyway?

Named after someone he knew? I'll have to go back and see if I can find it but I'm pretty sure it was something like that.

41,426 posted on 11/14/2002 5:11:08 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Sam Cree
That spiderman is pretty weird.

I thought so too... that's why I snàiged it...

mornin' Sam... Gun season opens Monday... just mounted a Pine Ridge 2.5x7 32mm obj scope on my 870, Mary (on account she's kilt more deer'n typhoid)... gotta site her in this week sometime... I use Remington Copper Solid sabots... they give me about a 3" group at 125 yds... I only mounted a scope on her cuz it adds 15 minutes of shootin' time...

41,427 posted on 11/14/2002 5:11:14 AM PST by g'nad
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To: Sam Cree; Overtaxed; HairOfTheDog
We put in disc 4 and started watching the extra stuff on it, AND IT HAS A SCRATCH!!!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!

I'll be taking a trip to Wal-Mart tonight to get a replacement set.
41,428 posted on 11/14/2002 5:11:15 AM PST by ksen
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To: ksen
Did Rosie show up in chat?

Yes, towards the middle of the movie.

41,429 posted on 11/14/2002 5:12:12 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
mornin' OT... if RM don't show, how 'bout a good North Carolins first breakfast this mornin?...
41,430 posted on 11/14/2002 5:12:35 AM PST by g'nad
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To: g'nad
I only mounted a scope on her cuz it adds 15 minutes of shootin' time...

Uuuhhh, what's that mean?

41,431 posted on 11/14/2002 5:12:51 AM PST by ksen
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To: ksen
No, wait. It was after the middle of the movie. In Moria (we had to pause at Gollum's eyes.)
41,432 posted on 11/14/2002 5:13:21 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: g'nad
Mmmmm.....sounds good. Fried eggs with grits, country ham, red-eye gravy, biscuits, coffee, and juice.
41,433 posted on 11/14/2002 5:14:37 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: ksen
scope gathers more light at dawn and dusk... makes it easier to see... sometimes I've seen deer early or late with my binos, then try to pick 'em out with my eye... but I've been foiled 5 times last season by a real good buck... I got his number this year...
41,434 posted on 11/14/2002 5:15:41 AM PST by g'nad
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To: Overtaxed
oh man oh man... my belly is growlin'...
41,435 posted on 11/14/2002 5:16:28 AM PST by g'nad
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To: g'nad
Gun season opens Monday

I believe gun season opend last weekend down here. At least the camper population exploded. If deer season was year-round they'd have to build those folks a strip mall!

41,436 posted on 11/14/2002 5:16:54 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed; RosieCotton
Good, at least we know she is ok.
41,437 posted on 11/14/2002 5:20:02 AM PST by ksen
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Thanks fer the scoop Bear, really appreciate it...
41,438 posted on 11/14/2002 5:30:45 AM PST by g'nad
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To: Overtaxed; Corin Stormhands
The othlorien scene has a lot more interaction with Haldir... got a little more respect for him, but I still wanted to B-slap him....

Haldir to Frodo: "You bring great evil with you" lifting his skirt and runnin' away...

I did like the way that Aragorn took charge... the way he put Haldir and Gimli in their place... he's lucky he didn't get an axe in the back of his head...

41,439 posted on 11/14/2002 5:35:48 AM PST by g'nad
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To: ksen; RosieCotton; Overtaxed
Good, at least we know she is ok.

woohoo! good news...

oh Roooooosieeeee... come out and plaaaaayaaaaay...

41,440 posted on 11/14/2002 5:37:10 AM PST by g'nad
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