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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: ksen
M: "How do we know this Strider is a friend of Gandalf?"
F: "I think a servant of the enemy would look fairer and feel fouler".
M: "I think he looks foul enough!"
F: "We have no choice but to trust him!"

G'nad! - Strider got a deer!
40,721 posted on 11/12/2002 8:52:28 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Oh, I can't wait...I'm gonna be fit to be tied if it doesn't come today...
40,722 posted on 11/12/2002 8:57:15 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog
Poor Strider, he heard the whole thing.

He did look kind of rough in that scene.
40,723 posted on 11/12/2002 8:58:26 AM PST by ksen
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To: ksen; 2Jedismom
Yeah - and the song and conversation with Frodo was so mournful!

With Mothra at Orthanc now.... This is so exciting! - Never know when something new is going to happen!

There are two new seconds here and there all over!

And different "takes" of the same scenes... I have seen that a few times too... I know it too well to even notice that!
40,724 posted on 11/12/2002 9:01:53 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: maquiladora
Hey maq! Are you the "Ringer Spy Maquiladora" that Xoanon mentioned today at TORN?

Woo! Hoo! You're famous! ;^)
40,725 posted on 11/12/2002 9:02:14 AM PST by ksen
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To: HairOfTheDog
Thumbs up so far?
40,726 posted on 11/12/2002 9:04:13 AM PST by ksen
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To: ksen

40,727 posted on 11/12/2002 9:06:03 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Could be any time now for me. I am sitting by the window next to computer with the blinds open watching. The neighbors across the street aren't home, thankfully, so they don't think I'm staring at their house! (Our mailbox is right next to theirs...in front of their house, so the mail lady only has to go one direction down the street.) However, the package will likely be too big to go in the box, so I imagine she'll drive up in the driveway and honk, which is what she does when I get a package.
40,728 posted on 11/12/2002 9:21:20 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: carton253; 2Jedismom
Bed hair just adds to the charm!

I have a teenager. Bed hair is considered stylish...

40,729 posted on 11/12/2002 9:23:24 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: g'nad; carton253
I say they're gonna be a wet spot on the sand...

Just in time for Christmas...

40,730 posted on 11/12/2002 9:25:08 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: 2Jedismom
I'm gonna be fit to be tied if it doesn't come today...

Do the boys know where to fetch your medicine?

40,731 posted on 11/12/2002 9:26:08 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Oh goodness, I'm already an old fogey??? LOL

Matthew has half his school done, Joshua has finished his preschool work (tracing the big A and the little a, coloring a page of things that begin with A and working a number puzzle.) They are currently polishing off some leftover pizza with juice, watching Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory DVD. Matthew still has to finish his language arts, but if the DVD comes, we can skip...

HERE COMES THE MAIL!
40,732 posted on 11/12/2002 9:28:18 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Here's hoping!!
40,733 posted on 11/12/2002 9:30:19 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
I didn't get it! Sob! I was afraid I wouldn't and then when she didn't pull into the drive, I just knew.

Shoot.

Oh well, maybe I'll rent it!
40,734 posted on 11/12/2002 9:31:09 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: Corin Stormhands
Well, we won't be skipping "Health, Safety and Manners" today.
40,735 posted on 11/12/2002 9:31:58 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

I had it SENT TO MY POST OFFICE BOX!!!!!
40,736 posted on 11/12/2002 9:34:06 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Oh 2J! - I am so sorry!

I am in the house of Elrond, and it is 10 o clock in the morning...

I had to pause it for a long phone call! A friend just rescued a new dog that was running on the higway! - Good for her and her new pooch! - Blasted interruptions!
40,737 posted on 11/12/2002 9:34:25 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom
So there is still hope?
40,738 posted on 11/12/2002 9:35:00 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom
Go now! Don't wait! It's been sitting there since about 8:20 in the morning.
40,739 posted on 11/12/2002 9:42:10 AM PST by carton253
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To: HairOfTheDog
Yes!! I am just now putting my shoes on! The boys are dressed and we're leaving in just a sec.

The mail came at the post office 2 hours ago! If it's there I could have been watching it along with you!!

ARGH!

"crossing fingers"
40,740 posted on 11/12/2002 9:42:14 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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