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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: HairOfTheDog
Is anyone here out standing in their field?


40,621 posted on 11/12/2002 7:14:28 AM PST by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: Corin Stormhands
Okay... Gollum now fading back into lovable Smeagol. (And I was plotting something very delicious to add about my favorite dwarf)

Over at the Religious Wars... OP has unlaunched the famous Tyre/Sidon post...

40,622 posted on 11/12/2002 7:16:29 AM PST by carton253
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To: 2Jedismom
I'm betting Hair comes back with the bookends...

We have a Winner!

40,623 posted on 11/12/2002 7:18:06 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I ordered the ones with the bookends... but the budget side of my brain took over... so, I cancelled it and ordered just your run of the mill...

Plop it in and tell us everything.

40,624 posted on 11/12/2002 7:19:31 AM PST by carton253
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To: ksen
Ummm, what blip? I don't remember a blip, so I don't think I had it.

That's good. Hopefully you would've noticed missing the gifts scene.

40,625 posted on 11/12/2002 7:20:02 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: carton253
OP has unlaunched the famous Tyre/Sidon post...

I just don't have it in me today.

40,626 posted on 11/12/2002 7:20:35 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: ksen
Are you still awake. The last time I went to work with as little sleep as you did was election night 2000. Who would have thought that I wouldn't be able to sleep for the next 36 days!

If you want to share what you saw... you can freepmail me. I don't mind knowing head of time.

40,627 posted on 11/12/2002 7:20:55 AM PST by carton253
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To: Corin Stormhands
You know... don't wander over there. Because, even though I have promised myself never to post there, if they start picking on you, I'm going to have to go Gollum on them.

It doesn't matter what you say anyway... they are so justified in their "rightness" they don't see the damage they do when they hack one another up.

40,628 posted on 11/12/2002 7:22:31 AM PST by carton253
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
I have only a vague idea, but it has to do with monitoring the environment for changes and such caused by polution, I think...but not always.

I think he's wanting to get a job making sure his company stays within EPA standards or something. I don't know too much, he just says that ES masters graduates find jobs pretty easily.
40,629 posted on 11/12/2002 7:22:44 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Hey 2J, never mind the Environmental Science question, you answered it later...

Guess what Susan came back with from Las Vegas? A tenor recorder for moi! And a soprano for Caroline, and something called a garklina (sp?) for herself (the highest range recorder). She's going to whip us into shape as a recorder consort. Says I'll be happier with the more mellow sound and range of the tenor recorder, and I think she's right. I'll have to get pictures and audio clips for you at a later date.... Thanks again for your inspiration....

40,630 posted on 11/12/2002 7:23:04 AM PST by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic; Overtaxed
ARRGHHHH!!!! A recorder???? You've gone over to the DARK SIDE!!!
40,631 posted on 11/12/2002 7:24:47 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog
Are you watching it??? How are the bookends?
40,632 posted on 11/12/2002 7:25:18 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic; 2Jedismom
I've been brushing up on the C whistle. I might actually spring for a low G in the near future.
40,633 posted on 11/12/2002 7:26:08 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Corin Stormhands
And the last names I was called before I left was I was a sanctimonious, censorious, judgemental hypocrite.

Anyone who knows me knows that I'm a high-strung, slightly obsessive, opinionated, bossy Smeagol.

40,634 posted on 11/12/2002 7:26:40 AM PST by carton253
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To: 2Jedismom
I think he's wanting to get a job making sure his company stays within EPA standards or something. I don't know too much, he just says that ES masters graduates find jobs pretty easily.

Maybe he can infiltrate a left wing think tank and sabotage their plans to inflict environmental fascism on the free citizens of a great but fading republic. Oh, wait a minute.... that would be a good plot for a NaNoWriMo thingie :^)

40,635 posted on 11/12/2002 7:27:30 AM PST by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: 2Jedismom
I'm not watching it yet! About to....

Just won the battle with the packaging from hell!

The book ends are neat! - Really heavy! Perfect for holding up my DVD collection!
40,636 posted on 11/12/2002 7:28:08 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom
Why is it the DARK side?
40,637 posted on 11/12/2002 7:28:13 AM PST by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: NewCenturions
Oh, come on - go into detail! Some of us are being 'good' (against our will!) and won't be getting the extended version right away. And I'd trust a true fan's review much more than a so-called "real" review.

Ok, I’ll spill a little of the beans. Nothing is different until Isildur gets ambushed by the orcs. When that happens he gets off his horse and puts the Ring on his finger. He disappears and you “see” the invisible Isildur (Just like you “saw” the invisible Frodo escaping from Boromir) head towards the river. He splashes into the river and the view switches to looking upwards from the river bottom. You see a confused Isildur because the Ring took that opportunity to slip from his finger, and you see it sinking away from Isildur. Isildur then gets filled with arrows and you see him floating down the river.

The whole opening Shire sequence is different. I like it a lot.

The one thing I didn’t like was how PJ made Aragorn question his destiny even more. At one point he says he never desired to be king. I don’t think the book Aragorn was that way, but it is a change I can live with.

40,638 posted on 11/12/2002 7:28:20 AM PST by ksen
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To: ksen
The one thing I didn’t like was how PJ made Aragorn question his destiny even more.

PJ has him hiding under the bed?

40,639 posted on 11/12/2002 7:30:04 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: ksen
Cool! And more Aragorn. Can't go wrong with that. Spill some more... if you want to.
40,640 posted on 11/12/2002 7:30:38 AM PST by carton253
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