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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: ksen
you can have the last laugh.

You can say that again!

Many this site is slow... might as well get to work!

37,841 posted on 10/30/2002 8:38:14 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: ksen
Bless his heart! He can't help it that he tripped on his beard....

How's that

There you go!

37,842 posted on 10/30/2002 8:40:59 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: ksen
I'll keep that in mind.
37,843 posted on 10/30/2002 9:04:51 AM PST by carton253
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To: HairOfTheDog
Hoping and praying for a good job lead for you Rosie!

Thanks! See if I can actually post something this time...FR hasn't worked well for me today...

I have a few leads already, but they aren't actual posted job openings just "so and so said that they may be looking..." type leads. Still, that's how I got my former job, so those aren't necessarily bad leads! I'm still working on my resume and haven't actually put any applications in anywhere, but I'll get there.

In the meantime, I'm thinking of doing some field trips that I've wanted to do forever but never could find the time. For example, there's a company in southern Vermont that builds mandolins, and I've always wanted to go check them out but never could before. Stuff like that. I know some people say I should be working full time finding a job, but I don't think I can MAKE it take that much time, and I can always do some stuff in the evenings (poking around the internet looking for job postings...), so my hours are flexible. ;-)

And I had a nice productive morning, both job research and working around the house. I'm proud of myself!

37,844 posted on 10/30/2002 10:49:53 AM PST by RosieCotton
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To: carton253; Overtaxed; HairOfTheDog; Corin Stormhands; 2Jedismom; g'nad; ...
Here are some pics I ran across today. I don't think we've seen these ones yet.....


Aragorn with the reforged Narsil?


Sam and Frodo.....BUSTED!


Merry and Pippin think they see something.....


Final movie poster?

37,845 posted on 10/30/2002 11:14:33 AM PST by ksen
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To: ksen
Thanks for the pictures. The Poster has Smeagol on it. Great!

But, is it just me, or is anyone else bothered that Arwen keeps getting such terrific billing. Is she a main character? No... But her positioning in the poster gives her that. Above Aragorn, above Sam, Gimli, Legalos. Merry and Pippin didn't even make it. Neither did Theoden.

I know New Line wants to bring in the women, but for crying out loud. Maybe Liv had it in her contract... but the way she is positioned in the poster makes it look like she has the third lead in the movie. Even if I was going to expand her role, I couldn't think of enough things for Arwen to do to make her the third lead.

37,846 posted on 10/30/2002 11:25:48 AM PST by carton253
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To: ksen; HairOfTheDog
Love that pic of M and P. I think I see a gash!!!

'Now for the other!' said Uglúk. Pippin saw him go to Merry, who was lying close by, and kick him. Merry groaned. Seizing him roughly Uglúk pulled him into a sitting position, and tore the bandage off his head. Then he smeared the wound with some dark stuff out of a small wooden box. Merry cried out and struggled wildly.
The Orcs clapped and hooted. 'Can't take his medicine,' they jeered. 'Doesn't know what's good for him. Ai! We shall have some fun later.'
But at the moment Uglúk was not engaged in sport. He needed speed and had to humour unwilling followers. He was healing Merry in orc-fashion; and his treatment worked swiftly. When he had forced a drink from his flask down the hobbit's throat, cut his leg-bonds, and dragged him to his feet, Merry stood up, looking pale but grim and defiant, and very much alive. The gash in his forehead gave him no more trouble, but he bore a brown scar to the end of his days.

37,847 posted on 10/30/2002 11:30:55 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: RosieCotton
I have a few leads already, but they aren't actual posted job openings just "so and so said that they may be looking..." type leads.

I think those kind of leads are better than anything else.....

37,848 posted on 10/30/2002 11:37:48 AM PST by ksen
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To: carton253
Arwen Scenestealer. Arwen Upstager.
37,849 posted on 10/30/2002 11:44:39 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog; 2Jedismom; Overtaxed; Corin Stormhands; Lucius Cornelius Sulla; Sam Cree; ...
Someone suggested getting into the site using:

http://beta.freerepublic.com

I tried it and it is working MUCH faster than the normal web address....
37,850 posted on 10/30/2002 11:48:08 AM PST by ksen
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To: Overtaxed
Arwen Scenestealer. Arwen Upstager.

Typical.

37,851 posted on 10/30/2002 11:52:54 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: carton253
I could see playing Arwen up in the first movie to draw the ladies in to see it. But you'd think that they wouldn't need to do that anymore since whoever saw FoTR will most likely be coming back to see TTT and RoTK no matter who is prominent on the poster.
37,852 posted on 10/30/2002 11:58:54 AM PST by ksen
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To: ksen
Thanks. It is much faster today. I don't think the beta site worked as well last week...
37,853 posted on 10/30/2002 11:59:06 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: 2Jedismom
Sorry 2JM, I should have warned you to fetch your medicine first. ;^)
37,854 posted on 10/30/2002 12:03:30 PM PST by ksen
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To: ksen; carton253
IMHO the only reason Arwen needed a built-up part is so that everyone would "get" the Aragorn/Eowyn thing. It doesn't need anything beyond that.
37,855 posted on 10/30/2002 12:04:53 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Corin Stormhands; Overtaxed; HairOfTheDog; All
Hey to all the Monty Python fans. I found a link that shows the opening credits (subtitles and all) to Holy Grail. Just leave it alone after you link to it, and it will change on it's own. Don't know if it had music too though. I don't have speakers on my computer here at work. Thought I would share.

http://www.esquilax.com/mpython/mp1.html
37,856 posted on 10/30/2002 12:06:24 PM PST by htur_75
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To: ksen
LOL Yes, a warning would have been appropriate! I just can't wait to see how M and P are developed. Merry kneeling before Theoden, pledging his allegiance is going to be so cool
37,857 posted on 10/30/2002 12:23:46 PM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog
Hey! Isn't this that poll we were freeping a while back?

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/021029/nytu001_1.html
37,858 posted on 10/30/2002 1:35:14 PM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Yeah - I think it is!

Looks like FR is nice and speedy again! Yahoo!

Still busy this afternoon.... just stopping by! More later!
37,859 posted on 10/30/2002 2:54:06 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom; Corin Stormhands; DonnerT; ecurbh; fnord; GretchenEE; ican'tbelieveit; JenB; ...
Whew! Glad FR is back up, but of course it had to go down on my day off...

Amazon now has the TTT score CD available for pre-order! Release date is Dec. 10.

Lord of the Rings: Two Towers

Lord of the Rings: Two Towers (Two-disc Limited Edition)

37,860 posted on 10/30/2002 3:03:22 PM PST by ecurbh
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