Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.
In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:
Our discussion has been light:
It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog
However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB
Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr
Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog
Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB
Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed
To the very philosophical:
…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla
To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…
…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB
Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog
…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1
Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed
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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom
…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253
Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed
So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.
Carton, what's the "terrorist" movement. I'm having trouble interpreting the above.
He must resort to the Southern verbal nuke that has laid low many a victim, the devastating "Bless her heart."I missed out on the "Bless Your Heart" thread you're talking about.
I do know one thing, though. If you hear anyone preface a remark by the phrase, "Bless her/(his) heart", get ready...the rest of the sentence is not going to be complimentary, nine times out of ten.
There are times when the "bless your heart" is sincere, but for the most part, it is the standard preface used when one wants to be critical and bitchy, while at the same time trying to appear charitable.
To whit:
(The catty remark:)
"Bless her heart, she just can't keep that weight off, can she?"(The backhanded compliment)
"Bless his heart, he ain't got a lick of sense, but he works hard."14 posted on 10/28/2002 3:22 PM EST by wimpycat
.243 is a great cartridge, suitable for deer on the smaller side... it's lethal if you are careful about shot placement... the common mistake is to try and use a cannon to make up for poor shooting...
That said, I'd be more comfortable with a .270 for him... not to heavy, good recoil, and he can use it anywhere in the U.S. if he ever travels to hunt... if yer good with a .270, you can take big whitetails, mulies, even elk...
model 7 doesn't come in .270, it does come in .260 which is a fine cartridge too, but I'm not sure about availibity of ammo...if he's comfortable with a larger rifle, I really think a .270 gives more options down the road...
take the time to look at Sako and Tikka... little more pricey, but lots of options and reliable... you can get a good price on a used one... I got a custom Sako I call "Painless"...never missed with it... 7mm, the longest shot I've taken on a deer is approx 550m...dropped him in his tracks...
Corin suggests: "Bless his heart. Diaper rash can be so irritating..."
g'nad, I think you and I need to take a road trip. Swing by here and we'll take care of the idjits in my office* then we'll head to Cinci and on out to the other Washington. (Maybe we'll stop in Minnesota and smack a few of the "mourners" around while we're at it...what a disgusting display)
*First email I read this a.m. I had sent a note to my supervisor and another co-worker saying "these two dates work for the Director, do they work for you". The response? "Did you check our schedules?" I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT I WAS DOING....
It's "cool" to be ignant these days...
He may be an "expert", but that's no reason to be a jerk... yes, you need to toughen up, but he's outta line for ridiculin' you...
Well, there's your first problem...
Keep it secret. Keep it DRY...
Well, I'm not necessarily taller, but I have "grown" since I was 26...
I'm not going to let them intimidate me, nor am I going to dumb down.
I'm going to participate (but not overly -- mostly so the classes aren't boring) and I'm going to do my best.
Thank you for your input. Smeagol is no longer sad. Any other advice will be appreciated.
Today is probably going to be very interesting since the adjustors for both State Farm and Total Claim Services are going to meet at my house to "discuss their disagreements" over the amount State Farm should pay to fix our kitchen. State Farm's adjustor is not happy. Bless his heart, it's a shame that adjustors are taught to have no sense of common decency.
I'll have to leave early to help my mom care for the kiddies while all this is going on. Or rather, get the kids out of there! :)
CARTON - Do not allow that professor to make you feel foolish by actually having some brains in your head. He obviously feels threatened by you and thus, has to try to make you look silly to make himself seem better. Next time, give him a big ol' grin and say something like, "I don't know what's funnier, the fact that I know what I'm talking about or the fact that you don't." Then, report him to the dean's office for improper behavior. You are paying for an education, so remember that HE works for YOU!
Anyway, I went through a lot of that kind of teasing in school myself. That's why I get so bothered by it.
OK, breakfast. Flapjacks with maple syrup, sausage patties, bacon strips and buttermilk biscuits. Ice cold milk and orange juice, as well as, some Cuban coffee. ENJOY!
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