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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

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To: Overtaxed
You are right. The movie is not good. Read the book. I think you will like it. It is so much deeper than the movie. Even Scarlett, who is immature, doesn't come off as shallow as she does in the movie.

Ashley Wilkes is a study of a person who's world has fallen down around him. Ashley is a great character.

Rhett Butler is my favorite. He is an intricate, complex human being who I actually like. I read the book for Rhett not for Scarlett.

Plus you get the details of Atlanta Society during this time. The social mores, etc.

But don't judge the book by the movie.

37,161 posted on 10/25/2002 8:13:21 AM PDT by carton253
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To: HairOfTheDog; carton253; Overtaxed
I didn't call soap operas southern. I called GWTW and "The Road to Tara" southern.

OT (apparently a yankee in disguise), called GWTW a soap opera...

37,162 posted on 10/25/2002 8:14:07 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
But it's an interesting (and fairly accurate) study of the people and that era in the south.

Didn't your granddaddy pass down stories of that era to you?

37,163 posted on 10/25/2002 8:14:50 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
I think you'd enjoy reading it.
37,164 posted on 10/25/2002 8:15:19 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: g'nad
[blush] You're such a sweet talker g'nad....

Tell me the story about whacking people with hoses again ;~D

I am prob'ly signing off for awhile... need to prep for a meeting in town, and I shouldn't be here!
37,165 posted on 10/25/2002 8:16:31 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
OT (apparently a yankee in disguise),

I demand satisfaction, suh!

My granddaddy was right....anything north of Winston Salem was Yankee.

37,166 posted on 10/25/2002 8:17:26 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
You're such a sweet talker g'nad....

I wuz sweet talkin'?... oh man, I must be slippin'...

Tell me the story about whacking people with hoses again

Hey, talk watcha know... give'em hell at the town meeting!

37,167 posted on 10/25/2002 8:19:26 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: Overtaxed; carton253; g'nad; HairOfTheDog
Didn't your granddaddy pass down stories of that era to you?

Actually, two of my great-grandfathers fought for the Confederacy. And legend has it that the "Rebel Yell" originated in my home county.

My family didn't really talk about it much. It's not like we were land owners or anything. My mom's dad was in WWI, but died before she graduated high school (he was hit with nerve gas). I don't know that my dad's dad was ever in the military.

My history teachers in school really romanticized it a lot. And I'm fascinated by that whole era. In fact both eras fascinated me - the actual Civil War time frame and the actual making of the movie time frame.

The stories behind the making of GWTW are also fascinating. I only saw it once but several years ago there was a tv mini-series on "The Search for Scarlet O'Hara" - more soap opera than the actual movie, but every Hollywood starlet wanted to play that role. IIRC they started filming before they cast Vivien Leigh.

37,168 posted on 10/25/2002 8:23:01 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Overtaxed
anything north of Winston Salem was Yankee.

Ma'am if it hadn't been for the Virginians, there wouldn't be a Winston-Salem...

37,169 posted on 10/25/2002 8:24:13 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Yes, but I still like FreeRepublic...

BWAAAHAHAHAHA!! Good one! ^5

37,170 posted on 10/25/2002 8:25:12 AM PDT by RMDupree
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To: Corin Stormhands
Just like we tell the cave trolls, it's okay to not like something (cave trolls and LOTR, g'nad and GWTW)...

hey, what's not to like about g'nad?... g'nad got rogueish good looks, strong white teeth, sparklin' disposition... what's not to love?...

37,171 posted on 10/25/2002 8:25:43 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: Overtaxed
I liked the photography and Clark was something nice to look at....

Yeah, but Scarlett created a lot of negative energy in me. Translation: I spent a lot of time wanting to whack her with a sock full of sand... And I didn't get her fascination with Ashley. What kinda name is that for a guy anyway? And she's supposed to always wish she coulda had him instead of Rhett? (Or so I remember...my memory is a bit vague.)

37,172 posted on 10/25/2002 8:26:37 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: carton253
I've watched GWTW 3 or 4 times and it's actually pretty funny to see the over-acting.

Reading your posts has convinced me to go get the book and read it. I need something to do to kill the time until TTT comes out. :)

37,173 posted on 10/25/2002 8:27:09 AM PDT by RMDupree
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To: Corin Stormhands
In my family, I have ancestors that fought in the Revolution, and had ancestors on both sides of the Civil War. I am also related to Jesse James. Other than that, my family was just a bunch of poor dirt farmers in the hills of Kentucky.

David O Selznick began to film GWTW before Vivien Leigh was cast because he was under obligation to begin working Clark Gable on a certain date.

The first scene they shot was the burning of Atlanta. Selznick used the burning as a way to clear his backlots so that he could rebuild Atlanta there.

Vivien Leigh came to the shooting. Myron Selznick brought her. She was dating Laurence Olivier at the time.

If Vivien Leigh had not come along the part with have gone to Paulette Goddard.

37,174 posted on 10/25/2002 8:27:59 AM PDT by carton253
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To: g'nad
I like you... But Smeagol likes anyone who is nice to him.
37,175 posted on 10/25/2002 8:28:33 AM PDT by carton253
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To: Corin Stormhands; Overtaxed; carton253
I had granpappys and their kin that fought on both sides... we're real good at killin' each other... one (IA Regt)come up missin' at Shiloh (buried as "UNKNOWN"), one (IL) wounded during the Vicksburg campaign, and I had others in Pennsylvania, Tennessee, North Carolina (kia at Sharpsburg), and Mississippi Regts...
37,176 posted on 10/25/2002 8:31:39 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: RosieCotton
Translation: I spent a lot of time wanting to whack her with a sock full of sand...

So did Vivien Leigh who portrayed her. She thought Scarlett was horribly written as compared to the book.

During the time of the Civil War, Ashley was a man's name. It was a strong family name.

Leslie Howard (who portrayed Ashley) didn't like the character either. He thought Ashley was portrayed as weak. In the movie, Ashley is weak. In the book, he's not like that at all. You can see why Scarlett is drawn to him.

Of course, Rhett Butler is the best character.

37,177 posted on 10/25/2002 8:31:41 AM PDT by carton253
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To: Corin Stormhands
Ma'am if it hadn't been for the Virginians, there wouldn't be a Winston-Salem...

If the Virginians thought more about winning the war than they did about protecting Virginia, we'd still have a republic. :)

37,178 posted on 10/25/2002 8:32:38 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: RosieCotton
Scarlett was a complete brat that basically wanted Ashley because he was not "conquered" by her. I'm sure you know a lot of women like that - they want a guy simply because he belongs to somebody else and it makes them feel good to know that they can have "any guy they want".

Once a fella ignores them or (worse) chooses another, the gloves come off and it's a desperate pursuit until they finally have them. Then, they dump them.

37,179 posted on 10/25/2002 8:33:47 AM PDT by RMDupree
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To: g'nad
My great, great, great, great, great, great (I think that's enough greats)grandfather fought the Indians with Daniel Boone. He help clear the National Wilderness Road into Kentucky. His shoulder was sliced open by a tomahawk. Linsfield Bicknell was his name. What an exciting life he lived.
37,180 posted on 10/25/2002 8:33:47 AM PDT by carton253
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