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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: RosieCotton
A-HA! I was using brackets instead of <>.

Awesome, thanks!
35,781 posted on 10/21/2002 11:13:23 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow
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To: Overtaxed; 2Jedismom; ItsOurTimeNow
And of course, none of us were the one he asked! We're all too helpful...
35,782 posted on 10/21/2002 11:13:27 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Overtaxed
http://www.cinescape.com/

Freep this poll, guys...apparently Darth Sidious has his webpage promoting it and theforce.net has run up the numbers for AOTC...
35,783 posted on 10/21/2002 11:13:32 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: ItsOurTimeNow; Scott from the Left Coast
Lowbrow the Flatulent sounds perfectly Orcish.

He's got the snooty air from his former elf life and the other from being a windy elf, like Scott from the Left Coast, if memory serves. :)

35,784 posted on 10/21/2002 11:15:41 AM PDT by RMDupree
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To: RosieCotton; Overtaxed; 2Jedismom; RMDupree
Thank you one and all tips hat
35,785 posted on 10/21/2002 11:23:24 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow
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To: SuziQ; HairOfTheDog
ATTENTION ALL LOTR FANS: Something I found that you may like, for Halloween!

http://www.carvingpumpkins.com/cgi-bin/pattern.cgi?pattern=aragorn&dir=./lotr

http://www.carvingpumpkins.com/cgi-bin/pattern.cgi?pattern=arwen&dir=./lotr

http://www.carvingpumpkins.com/cgi-bin/pattern.cgi?pattern=frodo&dir=./lotr

http://www.carvingpumpkins.com/cgi-bin/pattern.cgi?pattern=gimli&dir=./lotr

http://www.carvingpumpkins.com/cgi-bin/pattern.cgi?pattern=legolas&dir=./lotr

http://www.carvingpumpkins.com/cgi-bin/pattern.cgi?pattern=saruman&dir=./lotr

http://www.carvingpumpkins.com/cgi-bin/pattern.cgi?pattern=gandalf&dir=./lotr

35,786 posted on 10/21/2002 11:23:56 AM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
Now, why didn't that "line break" when I hit 'enter'?
35,787 posted on 10/21/2002 11:24:19 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow
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To: RMDupree
*Begins to sing a song my Kansas*

"All we are is Elves passing wiiiiind..."
35,788 posted on 10/21/2002 11:27:58 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
sorry, BY Kansas.
35,789 posted on 10/21/2002 11:28:37 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
If you include any html, posts don't automatically do line breaks or turn hyperlinks into hyperlinks, etc...you have to use code for line breaks and all that. < p > for a new paragraph, for example.
35,790 posted on 10/21/2002 11:35:52 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
The format does it automatically until you use html code...then you have to do it manually. You have to put the p for paragraph in. Use the < on either side of it.
35,791 posted on 10/21/2002 11:36:33 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
LOL! Now that song is playing in my head...

WIth your special lyrics of course!

35,792 posted on 10/21/2002 11:36:42 AM PDT by RMDupree
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To: RosieCotton
I wonder how OT will explain it? LOL
35,793 posted on 10/21/2002 11:37:06 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom; RosieCotton
I think y'all are just "creatively sneaking..."
35,794 posted on 10/21/2002 11:39:28 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
I think y'all are just "creatively sneaking..."

That would be called "projection". Is sneaking all you ever think about? ;-)

35,795 posted on 10/21/2002 11:40:39 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: 2Jedismom
I wonder how OT will explain it?

Ummm....it automatically does html when you don't have any <>''s

Is that good enough? I don't have any time to come up with something more original. :)

BTW, if you want single spacing on a line break use < br > (without the spaces before and after the < or >.)

35,796 posted on 10/21/2002 11:42:28 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Corin Stormhands
You know I'm Tom Bombadil when it comes to that!
35,797 posted on 10/21/2002 11:42:59 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Paul Atreides
Paul! - I checked those out... I am not NEARLY that talented! I am lucky if the pumpkin looks like a face, let alone a particular hace! LOL!

I drew and painted quite a bit... but the little talent I had there did not translate to pumpkin carving.

Maybe it is the fact that my mom would not let me use the good knives.

Here are fixed links... your links broke...

Thanks for posting this!



http://www.carvingpumpkins.com/cgi-bin/pattern.cgi?pattern=aragorn&dir=./lotr

http://www.carvingpumpkins.com/cgi-bin/pattern.cgi?pattern=arwen&dir=./lotr

http://www.carvingpumpkins.com/cgi-bin/pattern.cgi?pattern=frodo&dir=./lotr

http://www.carvingpumpkins.com/cgi-bin/pattern.cgi?pattern=gimli&dir=./lotr

http://www.carvingpumpkins.com/cgi-bin/pattern.cgi?pattern=legolas&dir=./lotr

http://www.carvingpumpkins.com/cgi-bin/pattern.cgi?pattern=saruman&dir=./lotr

http://www.carvingpumpkins.com/cgi-bin/pattern.cgi?pattern=gandalf&dir=./lotr
35,798 posted on 10/21/2002 11:43:37 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
I think y'all are just "creatively sneaking..."

I think my sneaker is on the fritz.

35,799 posted on 10/21/2002 11:43:43 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Corin Stormhands
*gasp*! Now that's a baseless accusation! LOL
35,800 posted on 10/21/2002 11:43:48 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow
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