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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: ksen; SuziQ
Maybe it's different in every county

That's how it is in Texas... Travis county, where Austin is, has very strict rules on purchasing and using fireworks. In Williamson county, just north of Travis, almost anything goes. So, the place to find fireworks stores is just across the county line, on the Williamson side...

34,341 posted on 10/15/2002 9:42:11 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
So, the place to find fireworks stores is just across the county line...

Fireworks are illegal in our county. And I'm not to prone to set them off around the boys anyway. But for a pool event this summer I drove across the county line to the fireworks store because I couldn't find sparklers anywhere nearby.

Here I am in the fireworks superstore. People are buying hundreds of dollars worth of elaborate fireworks.

I'm standing in line with five packs of sparklers...

I felt a little elfish...

34,342 posted on 10/15/2002 9:46:43 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: SuziQ
We could bring our versions of lembas with us to Entmoot, no sense in using ksen's oven!

Sounds like fun to me, though I'll have to do a bunch of experimenting between now and then to try to come up with something that at least somewhat resembles how I imagine it.

How come there wasn't any lembas in the movie?

34,343 posted on 10/15/2002 10:04:50 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
Cool!

For the bumper crop I was looking into making a pepper oil. Unfortunately unless I used a commercial cold pack method, all I'd be doing is grow a big botulin culture. So I settled for pepper vinegar instead.

34,344 posted on 10/15/2002 10:05:57 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Just let us know whether you prefer bottles or cans, and how much constitutes an adequate supply! ;)

Bottles would be preferred (if they had small ones, but cans might travel better. For supply...let's see...one every hour on the hour, and we'll me there for about two or three days, so that makes...

Just kidding! Seriously, I'd be happy (and would happily pay you for 'em) if you found room for one or two cans amongst your stuff...just wish it wasn't so darn hard to get here!

34,345 posted on 10/15/2002 10:09:14 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Yikes! Did I really make that many typos? Guess I better go back to pre-previewing...

I had a very productive lunch break! I love it when that happens...got a whole load of laundry folded, another moved into the dryer, and a sort of bulky blanket loaded in as the next load...plus started my bathroom remodeling. ;-) Sort of, anyway. There was a horrible deep pile brown carpet in there, and when I'd peeked underneath a few days ago, I found linoleum or vinyl that had just been carpeted over. So I yanked the carpet out. I need to mop the linoleum before I know how well I've made out, but at least it's cleanable! And the carpet was nasty. Really nasty.

34,346 posted on 10/15/2002 10:13:42 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
I never want any cloth items on the bathroom floor that I can't pick up and toss in the washer. Now I don't even want a bath mat in there. I used those towel mats.
34,347 posted on 10/15/2002 10:17:50 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
I just can't wait to see how this cleans up! It's not something I'd leave down forever, but it's passable, if the marks that are on it wash off (and I think they will...I think it's just dirty from everything that has soaked through the carpet over the years!) I may get a bath mat, though...it gets cooooooold here in the winter, and stepping out onto a cold floor isn't much fun.

Won't be long, either - it was 20 degrees out there this morning! Brrrr...

34,348 posted on 10/15/2002 10:20:47 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
...it was 20 degrees out there this morning!

That's just wrong....

34,349 posted on 10/15/2002 10:21:56 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
That's just wrong....

That's what my dog said, too, or would have. She does NOT like cold! It's really sad in the coldest part of the winter...she is a little actress (if she gets the tiniest bump she'll cry and cry as long as we're paying attention!), so I don't think it's as bad as she makes out, but when it's below zero, she'll hold up her paws one by one and whimper until someone picks her up. Big baby!

34,350 posted on 10/15/2002 10:24:17 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Well, when the carpet was there, I just wanted something to keep the floor dry enough (everyone was under strict instructions to dry off mostly before getting out of the tub) and now that the carpet is gone, I just want something to keep me and the kids from falling and busting our heads open! I like those bath mats that are just like square thicker towels...you know, like at hotels? You can just toss them in the washer.

Now I'm eyeballing a nice toilet seat with brass fixtures...
34,351 posted on 10/15/2002 10:36:08 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
I want a new medicine cabinet! And I'm wondering if there would be a way to build a cabinet under the sink...there isn't one there. All my fixtures are just old enough to be inconvenient without being quaint. ;-)

Yeah, those towel mats work good. I haven't ever seen them at a store, though, so far as I can remember. Considering that no matter WHAT I do, any soft surface ends up with cat hair on it, that might be the way to go for me, too, if I can find 'em. The carpet type ones pick up hair like CRAZY, and though some of them are machine washable, they aren't easy to wash.

34,352 posted on 10/15/2002 10:39:05 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Those big fuzzy mats always make my washing machine thud because it's lopsided!
34,353 posted on 10/15/2002 10:45:06 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Mine too! ;-) My basement floor isn't totally level, so my washer has a tendency to wobble if I don't fill it just right. And occasionally it takes a "walk" and I have to push it back against the wall.
34,354 posted on 10/15/2002 10:54:32 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
I have three of these mats. I ran a search and have found them called bath mats and tub mats...

Anyway, I just rotate them through...I probably change them every couple of days. After everyone takes a bath, I pick it up, fold it in two and drap it over the edge of the tub to dry. Then when I think about it or notice it, I get out another and drop the used one in the laundry.

As a matter of fact, here is a picture of it! (You can even tell it's a little damp still, I think.)

I just love this digital camera! LOL


34,355 posted on 10/15/2002 11:15:28 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Overtaxed
What's a split infinitive,OT? Actually, do I really want to know?
34,356 posted on 10/15/2002 11:45:24 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: 2Jedismom
Do you think they'd have those mats at Wal-mart?
34,357 posted on 10/15/2002 12:18:08 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Maybe...surely at Sears or Penneys...
34,358 posted on 10/15/2002 12:19:03 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Maybe...surely at Sears or Penneys...

Maybe at Penney's...our Sears is a catalog outlet, for the most part. They sell some electronics and power equipment, but nothing else. Penney's has just clothes, and a very small selection of bed and bath stuff, but mostly they're a catalog outlet, too. I.e. you order stuff there and then go pick it up. Rural r Us!

I can check during my lunch break tomorrow, maybe!

34,359 posted on 10/15/2002 12:22:38 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Sam Cree
What's a split infinitive,OT?

It's when you put a modifier between the "to" and the verb in an infinitive.

Famouse split infinitive: "to boldly go where no man has gone before."

Should be: "to go boldly where no man has gone before."

34,360 posted on 10/15/2002 12:24:58 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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