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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: HairOfTheDog
so perhaps a more complex version of that?

Kind of! Different too, in that you can set up competing civilizations that you can ally with or go to war with.

I used to love SimCity 2000... the version that came after that (3000?) didn't appeal to me though.

34,041 posted on 10/14/2002 12:32:51 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog; Overtaxed
I am considering making Joshua some cookies. Simple ones, with no nuts or chocolate or anything that might tear up his stomach...what do you think of these? They sound like they'd freeze well..

LEMON SUGAR COOKIES

1 c. butter, softened
1 c. sugar
1 tsp. vanilla
1/2 tsp. salt
1 whole egg
1 egg, separated
3 tbsp. lemon juice
4 c. flour
1 tbsp. water
Colored sugar

Cream butter, sugar, vanilla, and salt until fluffy. Beat in whole egg, egg yolk, and lemon juice. Stir in flour until well blended. Divide dough in fourths and wrap each airtight. Chill overnight. On lightly floured surface, roll out each portion of dough to 1/8 inch thick. With floured small holiday cookie or doughnut cutters, cut in desired shapes. Re-roll scraps.

Place 1/2 inch apart on lightly greased cookie sheet. Brush with egg white (beaten slightly and a little water added) and sprinkle top with colored sugar until golden. Bake at 250 degrees for 8-10 minutes. Makes 96-120.

34,042 posted on 10/14/2002 12:33:38 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog
Go hang your head in shame!....


34,043 posted on 10/14/2002 12:34:21 PM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: RosieCotton
Yes, I think there was one called Moria... also Rogue, and Larn (which is the one we played). Our PC was advanced, we had a 20 MB hard drive!
34,044 posted on 10/14/2002 12:35:13 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
There, there... RWRF... don't be sad.
34,045 posted on 10/14/2002 12:35:42 PM PDT by carton253
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
LOL! OK - You can stop being ashamed now.

-Hair the forgiving
34,046 posted on 10/14/2002 12:38:27 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom
Those sound really good...except, "sprinkle top with colored sugar until golden"? "Bake at 250 degrees"? I'm confused!

I think I'll steal the recipe just the same...;-)

34,047 posted on 10/14/2002 12:39:08 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: carton253; ksen
The later versions of computer Risk (Risk II, I think?) aren't quite so deterministic!

My favorite strategy was to start in Australia and expand into Asia, too. If Australia wasn't available, I'd go for South America and try the same basic strategy, either expanding into North American or Africa....
34,048 posted on 10/14/2002 12:39:30 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I'll have to remember that. Risk feeds my primal need to conquer and rule. But to loose 65 armies to 1 was a bit much.
34,049 posted on 10/14/2002 12:40:32 PM PDT by carton253
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To: RosieCotton
It doesn't matter how cheesy the plot is if you can make the reader care about the characters. :)
34,050 posted on 10/14/2002 12:41:31 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: 2Jedismom
OK - You may or may not know that I am not much of a cook, but I am really proud of myself.

You guys have probably all done scrambled eggs in the microwave and how they are nice and fluffy they come out. Well, I whipped up some eggs with ham and olives and mushrooms and things... and poured them in this heart-shaped bowl I have. I wiped the bowl with butter before-hand so it wouldn't stick and it popped out on the plate shaped like a perfect heart! - I wish I had a man to cook breakfast for now.
34,051 posted on 10/14/2002 12:49:53 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: carton253
But to loose 65 armies to 1 was a bit much.

I agree! I wouldn't play that game again either if that had happened to me.

34,052 posted on 10/14/2002 12:50:36 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; ksen; 2Jedismom
Was it this week that the LOTR Risk game is coming out? Somehow Oct 11 comes to mind, but I'm not sure that's right...
34,053 posted on 10/14/2002 12:50:47 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: HairOfTheDog
I wish I had a man to cook breakfast for now.

So do I, Hair, so do I.

Besides brothers, that is...they don't count!

34,054 posted on 10/14/2002 12:52:04 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RMDupree
I'm on to you dwarf!

Apprarently you're a poor judge of character.

34,055 posted on 10/14/2002 12:52:17 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: ksen
"I also understand that there is going to be a LoTR version of Risk released pretty soon."

It's already out on New Line Cinema's web site. $34.95 + s&h.

Mine's already on order.
34,056 posted on 10/14/2002 12:52:39 PM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow
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To: RosieCotton
Oh yeah...I didn't even pay any attention to that part. I would have baked them at 325 (because my oven bakes hot). I don't know what they were thinking! LOL
34,057 posted on 10/14/2002 12:53:04 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: RosieCotton
October 11th is the day that Glorfindel drove the Riders off of the Bridge of Mitheithel.
34,058 posted on 10/14/2002 12:53:38 PM PDT by RMDupree
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To: HairOfTheDog; ksen
But if the homicidal maniacs are in disguise, how will we know who they are?

Nametags.

34,059 posted on 10/14/2002 12:53:44 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'm proud of you too! Like I say, you could whip up a thing of chocolate chip cookies, roll them into balls and freeze them, then take them out and bake them in a toaster oven a few at a time. Mmmm Fresh hot cookies whenever you like!
34,060 posted on 10/14/2002 12:54:43 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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