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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: ItsOurTimeNow
Well it's a year off, so there's plenty of time to plan, and who knows, you may find it irresistable by then.
33,941 posted on 10/14/2002 11:36:25 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: ksen
Sounds good to me.

We'd have to figure out somewhere to watch FoTR. My home is small, but it would do in a pinch.

33,942 posted on 10/14/2002 11:37:57 AM PDT by RMDupree
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To: ksen
Possible classes for the non-Hobbit Hole participants:

ksen, you nailed it with these, what a hoot!

A couple of others:
Cross-dressing Basics for Elves
How to Annihilate Trolls (special class taught by G'nad)
Whistles 201, 301, & 401
Bathroom Remodeling in Middle Earth
Exactly What Answers are Blowing in the Elvish Wind?
Jello Shots: To Everclear or not to Everclear?
First Aid for Horses (Cats, Dogs, Fish....)

33,943 posted on 10/14/2002 11:38:33 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: HairOfTheDog
But if the homicidal maniacs are in disguise, how will we know who they are?

Well you could tell who they were by......um.....by their.......er......oh forget it. ;^)

33,944 posted on 10/14/2002 11:38:39 AM PDT by ksen
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To: HairOfTheDog; ksen
It's my last year because I'm not going to do it after this. The reason is that I've decided to go back to school, and I need the Monday night to be taking classes. (That is if I plan to graduate before I retire)

The plays end up comedy mostly because kids are kids and they end up doing so pretty unplanned things that make me laugh.

College is going fine. I'm having a great time. I'm taking four classes... and Arabic and Hebrew language studies on the side. So, I'm quite busy.

33,945 posted on 10/14/2002 11:39:58 AM PDT by carton253
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To: carton253
What're you going to school for?

You're taking Hebrew? I would love to be able to take Hebrew. Unfortunately the program I'm in doesn't have Hebrew or Greek. ;^(

There are some Messianic Synagogues in town that conduct Hebrew classes. I may look them up at the beginning of the year.
33,946 posted on 10/14/2002 11:44:07 AM PDT by ksen
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
Also, a VERY important class:

What's so precious about the Precious?

I think Smeagol should teach that one!

33,947 posted on 10/14/2002 11:44:25 AM PDT by RMDupree
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To: ksen
I'm in the SW, like RM. Both my kids are away in college, so as long as school's in session, I can be pretty flexible.
33,948 posted on 10/14/2002 11:47:15 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: HairOfTheDog; RosieCotton; RMDupree; Corin Stormhands; rightwingreligiousfanatic; Sam Cree; ...
Hi everyone

Had a very busy weekend here, didn't get as much online time as I usually do... but I'm back. Say, what's that up in the road ahead...?

By the way, I think I'm probably one of the luckier spouses in the Hobbit Hole... my Rose doesn't think my time on the Hobbit Hole is weird at all.

Have a good day all!
33,949 posted on 10/14/2002 11:49:19 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: ksen
Counter-terrorism. Which equals a PHD in Middle East Politics... .with fluency in Arabic and Hebrew.

I took Hebrew from a rabbi for year. Some of the computer programs on Hebrew may help you.

Because the Rabbi taught me a strong foundation, I have a tendency to be more advanced than what the synagogues teach... but not advanced enough to be fluent. So, I'm trying to teach myself. It's going all right.

For Arabic I have a private tutor.

33,950 posted on 10/14/2002 11:49:20 AM PDT by carton253
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To: carton253
Wow, I am impressed. I hope everything goes well for you.

No wonder you have such an interest in the ME(Middle Eastern not Middle Earthen) threads. I'm glad you're on our side. ;^)
33,951 posted on 10/14/2002 11:53:08 AM PDT by ksen
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To: RMDupree
They will be the ones carrying the axes and harrassing the elves!!

I can bring an axe.... :)

That sounds like maybe half of us!

33,952 posted on 10/14/2002 11:54:42 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Sam Cree
Do you have space at your place to watch FoTR?
33,953 posted on 10/14/2002 11:55:37 AM PDT by RMDupree
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To: Sam Cree; RMDupree; Lucius Cornelius Sulla
I'm in the SW, like RM. Both my kids are away in college, so as long as school's in session, I can be pretty flexible.

What does the "SW" mean?

I was thinking we could do this over New Year's but maybe it would be better to wait until just after so that college will be back in session.

33,954 posted on 10/14/2002 11:56:32 AM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
I have a long way to go. The PHD is the ultimate long time goal. There's a lot that can happen in the next few years.
33,955 posted on 10/14/2002 11:57:05 AM PDT by carton253
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To: ksen
SW means = Southwest? Like Arizona. Did Smeagol guess rightly!

I'm in the MW.

33,956 posted on 10/14/2002 11:57:55 AM PDT by carton253
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To: ksen
"SW" = South West

Usually means the suburb of Kendall, the home of Janet Reno and OJ Simpson!

33,957 posted on 10/14/2002 11:58:52 AM PDT by RMDupree
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Hullo Bear! Busy weekend I hope means good weekend!
33,958 posted on 10/14/2002 11:59:28 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: carton253
I know you are here just biding your time on here until it's time to spam-race for the Precious....

33,959 posted on 10/14/2002 12:00:03 PM PDT by RMDupree
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To: RMDupree
I'm not very good at spam-racing to the Precious. I haven't managed to do it right yet. So, if it's a spam race, I will lose.
33,960 posted on 10/14/2002 12:02:12 PM PDT by carton253
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