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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: RosieCotton
You forgot to add.. discuss the book, eat, argue with the dwarves, eat, watch with glee as the elves and dwarves bash each other, eat, drink a few pints, eat, eat some more.....
33,081 posted on 10/11/2002 6:52:32 AM PDT by RMDupree
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To: g'nad
and pints... don't forget the pints...

Oooh! How could I forget! Thanks for the reminder!

Eat, watch movie, eat WHILE watching movie, pints, play music, pints WHILE playing music, eat, watch movie, pints, sleep....

33,082 posted on 10/11/2002 6:52:35 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RMDupree
Ha! I forgot a lot, didn't I?
33,083 posted on 10/11/2002 6:53:04 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
I guess I COULD always just do the best I can and hope the paint covers and sticks, but I'm worried now!

Don't be worried, go for it! Your office will look great once you are done. Any minor damage can be patched, or you could always hang a picture over it. ;^)

33,084 posted on 10/11/2002 6:53:07 AM PDT by ksen
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To: carton253
Sorry Smeagol, they're all I have right now. You can always go catch your own fish.

You ol' ungrateful Stinker!

33,085 posted on 10/11/2002 6:54:00 AM PDT by RMDupree
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To: carton253
You are my new best friend! (just keep your mitts off the precious)

Good Smeagol...you want this, don't you...


33,086 posted on 10/11/2002 6:54:36 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: RosieCotton
Yikes! What a lousy sentence THAT is!

And yet, entirely accurate.

33,087 posted on 10/11/2002 6:54:50 AM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
I'm just nervous about all the talk about getting the surface just so...I was planning on just getting it more or less smooth (i.e. without any obvious holes or paper flaking off!), and then paint...but now I'm not sure that's enough.
33,088 posted on 10/11/2002 6:55:01 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: g'nad
Just great. NOW you've really done it!

He'll go off the deep end with that picture.

33,089 posted on 10/11/2002 6:56:38 AM PDT by RMDupree
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To: ksen
Poor literary tool to get rid of Smeagol and precious. If the author had real courage, he would have allowed Smeagol to live... Then Smeagol could have become good and noble and gone to the Gray Havens like the rest of the ring bearers.

No, instead... poof goes precious and Smeagol. Poof! Like I didn't count or mattered. (heavy sigh, small tear drops from my chin)

Bilbo went to the Gray Haven... he cheated poor Smeagol with riddles. Frodo went. Nice Master. Even the rude, nasty hobbit got to go. Not Smeagol who held it the longest. Not Smeagol who made sure Frodo got to Mt. Doom. No, into the fire! Be gone little Hobbit... I have no more need of you.! Poor Smeagol. Sad Smeagol. Victimized Smeagol. Hurt Smeagol.

33,090 posted on 10/11/2002 6:58:02 AM PDT by carton253
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To: RMDupree
He'll go off the deep end with that picture.

Ha! Now which way do we interpret that statement?

33,091 posted on 10/11/2002 6:58:29 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Why do I get the impression that the basic plan for Entmoot is basically eat, watch movie, eat WHILE watching movie, play music, eat, watch movie, sleep, get up, eat, watch movie, etc.?

Sounds like a plan to me.! :)

33,092 posted on 10/11/2002 6:58:49 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: g'nad
ACH! Precious! Give it to Smeagol. It's mine, I tell you. Mine!
33,093 posted on 10/11/2002 6:58:58 AM PDT by carton253
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To: RMDupree
I'm not a stinker! I just never saw little fishses in a can before. Smeagol will eat. Smeagol will say thank you! Smeagol is very good!
33,094 posted on 10/11/2002 6:59:58 AM PDT by carton253
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To: carton253
smeagol snaig...


33,095 posted on 10/11/2002 7:00:10 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: carton253
smeagol snaig...


33,096 posted on 10/11/2002 7:00:12 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: carton253
smeagol snaig...


33,097 posted on 10/11/2002 7:00:12 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: carton253
smeagol snaig...


33,098 posted on 10/11/2002 7:00:13 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: RosieCotton
Be nice...
33,099 posted on 10/11/2002 7:00:21 AM PDT by carton253
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To: carton253
Fishes are big. Not these poor little things

Smeagol must bring his own fishes then. Sometimes there's just no pleasing some Gollums

33,100 posted on 10/11/2002 7:00:30 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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