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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: RMDupree
PJ's LoTR = job well done.

Agreed. 99 out of 100. All of our little quibbles added up together make up the 1% detraction to a most fabulous movie series. Here's hoping the Acadamy Awards see it that way next time around....

32,481 posted on 10/10/2002 9:28:20 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: RosieCotton
I would LOVE to spend a year or two among the REAL elves at Rivendell, listening to all the talk and music, learning as much as I could from them.

Well, so would I Rosie, if they were REAL.....hmmmm maybe Destructo was onto something.....I'm just trying to have a little fun...;^)

32,482 posted on 10/10/2002 9:31:18 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: Wordsmith
One gets the impression that, if the average swordsman came upon a solitary Orc, he would be revolted and saddened, but not particularly threatened. In numbers, however, they are the overwhelming masses of bureaucratic evil: the nameless, faceless denizens of the dark, tied to their Lord by mutual hatred and fear, rather than by loyalty and love.

We are the Orc. Resistance is Futile...

32,483 posted on 10/10/2002 9:31:50 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: RosieCotton
You guys back ALL elves

Oops! Make that BASH! (I'm one of the ones that backs 'em, book elves anyway...)

32,484 posted on 10/10/2002 9:31:52 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
What a brilliant description of the current Senate Judiciary Committee Democrats.....

You beat me to it...

32,485 posted on 10/10/2002 9:32:59 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
All your Elf are belong to us...
32,486 posted on 10/10/2002 9:33:20 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
I was talking to my hubby last night about Tom Bombadil (that's where he is in FoTR, the slowpoke) and he said that he really wished that PJ had put it in the movie.

I agreed with him, because Tom is such a likeable fellow, but it would have added at least another 20 minutes to the movie and Tom's role was confined to that one moment in all of the trilogy. So, sadly, Tom had to merry dol, derry dol out of the picture.

32,487 posted on 10/10/2002 9:33:32 AM PDT by RMDupree
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To: RosieCotton
You are just sitting on the fence Rosie...

You are either with us, or against us!

-Hair the Elf-friend

(Now I have to go dry my hair and get out of here!)
32,488 posted on 10/10/2002 9:34:30 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: RMDupree
PJ's creative license more than likely sparked more than a few people to pick up the LoTR books.

My son is one of them. After the first time we saw the movie (he was 12), he said "Wow! This is better than Potter, I'm gonna get the books!"

32,489 posted on 10/10/2002 9:35:09 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: RMDupree
Yes, I admit to liking Tom Bombadil too, but I have to be careful who hears me say that.....

He's a little bit too elf-like, if you know what I mean....

32,490 posted on 10/10/2002 9:35:46 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
You mean elves aren't REAL??? But I thought...I mean...you're joking, right?

Smart aleck dwarf...;-)

32,491 posted on 10/10/2002 9:36:03 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: HairOfTheDog
Girl stuff.

Not if you add rude noisemaking...

32,492 posted on 10/10/2002 9:36:25 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: RMDupree
I am kind of glad he wasn't in the film because I can't picture anyone playing him that wouldn't look gay.

The actor who played Mr. Edwards in Little House on the prairie is who I picture, but I think he is dead.


(Getting dressed now)
32,493 posted on 10/10/2002 9:37:05 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
Exactly my point. PJ pushed people into reading classics, NOT the latest craze.

After reading Harry Potter, I saw the movie and although it was well done, I am not eagerly anticipating the next movie.

Yet, I am beside myself waiting for TTT to come out!!

32,494 posted on 10/10/2002 9:37:51 AM PDT by RMDupree
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To: Corin Stormhands
rude noisemaking during the event, or after?
32,495 posted on 10/10/2002 9:37:51 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
You are either with us, or against us!

I am completely FOR the book elves...

I am mostly AGAINST the movie elves (Legolas excepted, and I don't mind Arwen and Galadriel much).

32,496 posted on 10/10/2002 9:38:22 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
I'm lucky in that I'm in perhaps the most conservative county in the state...

Yeah, but I bet my saying that about my county in Virginia and you're saying that about your county in Vermont are still two different things...;-)

32,497 posted on 10/10/2002 9:38:31 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog
Is it time to sneak yet?
32,498 posted on 10/10/2002 9:38:36 AM PDT by RMDupree
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To: HairOfTheDog
Is it time to sneak yet?
32,499 posted on 10/10/2002 9:38:44 AM PDT by RMDupree
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To: Corin Stormhands
Ooops sneak...
32,500 posted on 10/10/2002 9:38:52 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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