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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: Overtaxed
Sometimes I am thankful that I don't have kids in this era.
30,721 posted on 10/05/2002 2:14:48 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Oh no!!!! I just thought about Spongebob reproducing. And they don't produce just one young 'un at a time!
30,722 posted on 10/05/2002 2:20:44 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
I had never really even noticed that he was wearing a shirt!

... and a tie... and short pants... heh heh, heh heh, SpongeBob's a nerd!

Cartoons are a lot different today than they were when we were growing up!

30,723 posted on 10/05/2002 2:20:59 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Overtaxed
Sponge-Spawn!
30,724 posted on 10/05/2002 2:21:44 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Held hostage by Sears?

They finally got to the alignment at 4:00 p.m. (she's still there though). The van needed another bolt to complete the alignment. She got that part free and a $20.00 gift card. Guess we should've known better than to try on Saturday. But she's driving to NC tomorrow to see her dad and we really didn't have a choice (I dunno, it's something about front tires with no tread...)

I took matters into my own hands...I've ordered pizza...

30,725 posted on 10/05/2002 2:22:39 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
They sure are!


30,726 posted on 10/05/2002 2:25:07 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Admit it. You love Spongebob, don't you?
30,727 posted on 10/05/2002 2:26:24 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; HairOfTheDog; Overtaxed
Have you ever noticed that SpongeBob's sleeves don't seem to be attached to his shirt?

He's a talking sponge and what worries you is his sense of fashion?

Quirky. Very Quirky indeed...

30,728 posted on 10/05/2002 2:28:11 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Admit it. You love Spongebob, don't you?

I will admit that he haunts me!

30,729 posted on 10/05/2002 2:30:49 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands; HairOfTheDog
Maybe Spongebob is nylon.
30,730 posted on 10/05/2002 2:30:54 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; HairOfTheDog; Overtaxed
What's wrong with today's cartoons?

For the cartoon impaired that Nickelodeon's Catdog.

Gotta run folkses. See you later.

30,731 posted on 10/05/2002 2:31:29 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
See ya later Corin!
30,732 posted on 10/05/2002 2:32:06 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
Today's cartoons are ugly!

Enjoy your pizza.

30,733 posted on 10/05/2002 2:33:02 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Well, you see, you're supposed to go to see different movies... if you keep going to the same movie over and over...

Bear, you just aren't making sense now!

30,734 posted on 10/05/2002 2:35:11 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
you're supposed to go to see different movies

There are other movies? :)

30,735 posted on 10/05/2002 2:36:45 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog; Overtaxed; Corin Stormhands
Well, it turns out we need to download Win2k Service Pack 2... 101 Mb at 28.8Kbps is going to take about 10-12 hours. So, I'm signing off to let the download run. See you all tomorrow!
30,736 posted on 10/05/2002 2:59:22 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Long as you have these snazzy new computers, I would recommend getting cable!
30,737 posted on 10/05/2002 3:01:32 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Those are so cool! Hopefully the price is shocking me enough that I won't go out and blow my money on them, but it sure is fun to look at them!

30,738 posted on 10/05/2002 3:17:32 PM PDT by Penny1
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To: irishtenor
((((ping))))

Here ya go! :) Are you stuck at work today? Or did you finally get your computer at home hooked up?
30,739 posted on 10/05/2002 3:19:35 PM PDT by Penny1
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'm home from the anniversary party (that my mom wanted me to right the story for) and it was pretty fun. Here's the story:

The story I have to tell you is one that Deloris and I have always chuckled about. We laugh about how similar we are in that we are both very frugal in lots of ways. Deloris says that I should have been her daughter and Beverly should have been my mom¹s daughter. But, Deloris beat me in one area of frugality!!!! One day, when I was visiting her, she made me a pot of coffee. She knows that I love coffee and drink lots of it. If you know Deloris very well you know she will share anything she has and is very hospitable to her visitors. But she is a little stingy in one area. COFFEE! After she made the coffee for me, I went in the kitchen and looked in the coffee pot and said in all seriousness..."What is this? Tea?" Her coffee was so weak I could see right through it and it really looked like tea!!!!!!

Deloris's daughter read the story and when she finished everyone laughed and then I stood up and handed Deloris a huge cannister of coffee. Everyone roared. My mom should be totally delighted with how well I made her look.

30,740 posted on 10/05/2002 3:24:37 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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