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The New Hobbit Hole
Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole
Concerning Hobbits
The New Hobbit Chronicles
This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.
In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:
Our discussion has been light:
It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!
post 252 - HairOfTheDog
However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie
post 506 - JenB
Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty)
post 1001 - BibChr
Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. post 1011 HairOfTheDog
Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive
post 1007 - JenB
Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?
post 1024 Overtaxed
To the very philosophical:
Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above
Lucius Cornelius Sulla
To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters
Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them
post 1536 - JenB
Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt
post 1538 - HairOfTheDog
I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself
I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it
post 1548 - Penny1
Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock
post 2401 Overtaxed
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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire
post 2506 - 2Jedismom
Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol
post 2516 - carton253
Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)
post 2519 Overtaxed
So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole
; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.
TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: Corin Stormhands
To: 2Jedismom
Where's the pic? I didn't see it! I posted the address at the Yahoo Hobbit Hole.
To: Corin Stormhands
Monty Python's SPAM skit:
Mr. Bun: Morning.
Waitress: Morning.
Mr. Bun: Well, what you got?
Waitress: Well, there's egg and bacon; egg, sausage and bacon; egg and SPAM; egg, bacon and SPAM; egg, bacon, sausage and SPAM; SPAM, bacon, sausage and SPAM; SPAM, egg, SPAM, SPAM, bacon and SPAM; SPAM, sausage, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, bacon, SPAM, tomato and SPAM; SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, egg and SPAM; Vikings start to sing in background SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, lovely SPAM, lovely SPAM. SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, baked beans, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM and SPAM or Lobster Thermidor au Crevettes with a mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg on top and SPAM.
Mrs. Bun: Have you got anything without SPAM?
Waitress: Well, there's SPAM, egg, sausage and SPAM. That's not got much SPAM in it.
Mrs. Bun: I don't want any SPAM!
Mr. Bun: Why can't she have egg, bacon, SPAM and sausage?
Mrs. Bun: That's got SPAM in it.
Mr. Bun: It hasn't got as much SPAM in it as SPAM, egg, sausage and SPAM has it?
Mrs. Bun: Could you do me egg, bacon, SPAM and sausage without the SPAM then?
Waitress - Uuuuuuggggh!
Mrs. Bun: What do you mean Uuuuggg! I don't like SPAM!
Vikings: SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, lovely SPAM, lovely SPAM, wonderful SPAM
Waitress: Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Bloody vikings. You can't have egg, bacon, SPAM and sausage without the SPAM.
Mrs. Bun: I don't like SPAM!
Mrs., Bun - Don't make a fuss, dear. I'll have your SPAM. I love it. I'm having SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, Lovely SPAM, Wonderful SPAM. SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, Magnificent SPAM, Superlative SPAM. SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, Wonderful SPAM, Surgical SPAM, Splendiferous SPAM!
Vikings: SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, lovely SPAM, lovely SPAM, wonderful SPAM
Waitress: Shut up! Baked beans are off.
Mr. Bun: Well, can I have her SPAM instead of the baked beans?
Waitress: You mean SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, and SPAM?
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To: Sam Cree
To: Corin Stormhands
Spongebob the Threadkiller?
To: Overtaxed; Corin Stormhands
Spam kills.
To: RosieCotton
Spam kills. It's still not as bad as AOL.
To: Overtaxed; 2Jedismom
It's still not as bad as AOL.I never heard the end of the story...did 2J fall to its power, or has she managed to resist so far?
To: Overtaxed
I actually have shares of Spam stock. I'm not kidding. My ex-brother-in-law is way up in the company and they gave us a bunch of shares for a wedding present.
Personally, I love Spam. Ever had poker sandwiches? They are great!! MMMMMM! I make them in the meat grinder that came with my mixer.
To: RosieCotton
I'm doing it this afternoon. I'm gonna I tell you...I'm gonna!
To: RosieCotton; 2Jedismom
did 2J fall to its powerAs far as I can tell, she is resolved to follow Gollum on the path through Cirith Ungol.
To: Overtaxed; 2Jedismom; Corin Stormhands; ksen; All
Hm...just found out I'm part of an endangered spe...er...
group. (Breed? Ethnic variation?) So you'd better be nice to me.
Please don't say my hair color explains a LOT...
To: RosieCotton; Overtaxed; HairOfTheDog
Here goes! I'm going for it right now! I just inserted that confounded disk into my iMac CD drive!
To: 2Jedismom
We did our best...;-)
To: RosieCotton
Should we get ksen to ping his prayer list?
To: RosieCotton
It froze up my iMac! Even it is protesting! LOL I'm rebooting.
I'm on the PC, right now...
To: Overtaxed
May be too late for just that. We may need to find an exorcist, too.
To: Overtaxed
Matthew is taking a math exam and Joshua is napping...I have time to work on this for a sec...
To: 2Jedismom
Hehehe
To: Overtaxed
I wouldn't want it on my PC anyway...
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