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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Corin Stormhands
Say, two of those frumpy old men look like frumpy old women....
27,661 posted on 09/25/2002 7:34:14 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog
Her: But how do I get them out of Wordperfect?
Me: [whack!]

Remember me whining a few weeks ago about a project that my supervisor didn't want me just entering electronically? Anyway, his fear is that we'll lose everything, since he lost all of his WordPerfect files when we converted to Word.

Yes, I have all of mine cause I paid attention...

27,662 posted on 09/25/2002 7:35:08 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: ksen; Lucius Cornelius Sulla; g'nad
"Hi everybody! I'm ok!" - LCS ;^)

Hurry Back LCS!!!

Thanks ksen for following up. That's one more we can stop worrying about.

Now, just when does the stinky dwarf come back? You know, he kinda grows on you.

Like that green stuff in the back of the fridge...

27,663 posted on 09/25/2002 7:37:40 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
LOL! - His files were trapped "IN" Wordperfect?
27,664 posted on 09/25/2002 7:40:15 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands; HairOfTheDog
Stupid user story:

A week ago, one of my fellow system admins sent out a company-wide email warning everyone that the Lotus Notes server would be down yesterday morning for an upgrade. Another email was sent out the day before, reminding everyone that the server would be down the next day. That morning, sure enough, the helpdesk was flooded with calls from users complaining that they couldn't get to the Notes server.

My rhetorical question was, why did they care about getting to the email server, since they obviously didn't read their email....
27,665 posted on 09/25/2002 7:41:35 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Moi? Frumpy?


27,666 posted on 09/25/2002 7:43:13 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
His last post said he would be back in October, which would make it next week at the earliest.
27,667 posted on 09/25/2002 7:44:01 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Some of the other plants in the state did become operational! But they still changed the name... After the mismanagement debacle, people had no faith in WhooPPSS!

So they changed it from "Washington Public Power Supply System" to "Energy Northwest".
27,668 posted on 09/25/2002 7:46:09 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
He could never "find" them once we converted. I'm not making this up.

I'm legally required to post notices of meetings. So I do it through a web site (it's a long story). But ANYONE who wants to be notified just has to go to that web site and they can sign up to be notified by email. But still, when the printed notice comes back, I have to mark the important ones and have the secretary has to photocopy and distribute them because "the email won't meet the notification requirements."

27,669 posted on 09/25/2002 7:46:21 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
hehe, my apologies to Miss Piggy... although a straw hat and blue turtleneck sweater isn't the most, uhm, glamorous of outfits!
27,670 posted on 09/25/2002 7:47:22 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog; Bear_in_RoseBear
people had no faith in WhooPPSS!

That's like when Congress was creating the Department of Education. I think it was Jesse Helms that put in the amendment to name it the "Department of Public Education" or...D.O.P.E.

27,671 posted on 09/25/2002 7:48:55 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog
So they changed it from "Washington Public Power Supply System" to "Energy Northwest".

Did they by any chance have an exclamation mark in the name, as in "Energy! Northwest" ?

27,672 posted on 09/25/2002 7:49:29 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
My favorite thing I've ever seen Miss Piggy do was on the Oscars the year "The Muppet Movie" came out. There was a lot of discussion about nominating Miss Piggy for the Oscar. Of course the Hollyweird women threw a fit.

But she came on to present an award at the ceremony, looked at Johnny Carson and screamed, "It's because I'm a PIG, isn't it?"

27,673 posted on 09/25/2002 7:51:04 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
He could never "find" them once we converted. I'm not making this up.

I completely believe you! After trying for days to help this poor woman "find" her files, I gave up.... I had other people to worry about... But I would walk by her office, where she had both the old computer and the new computer on, and was reading a letter from one moniter and retyping it on the new computer... I did a couple doubletakes, but in the end, I let her go. If I got too close to her, she would only complain that she couldn't "view the codes" or whatever WP people called that view where they could see what looked a lot like html formatting. WYSIWYG was not popular with her. What could I do?

27,674 posted on 09/25/2002 7:53:02 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
But she came on to present an award at the ceremony, looked at Johnny Carson and screamed, "It's because I'm a PIG, isn't it?"

I think I remember that happening... but at the time, I had no idea what she was talking about!

27,675 posted on 09/25/2002 7:56:47 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Did they by any chance have an exclamation mark in the name, as in "Energy! Northwest" ?

I don't they they allow any exclamation points, or any punctuation that is not calm and soothing.

27,676 posted on 09/25/2002 7:58:07 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
There really is little you can do. Our PR department has management convinced that everything they do in HTML or for printing purposes takes WEEKS to put together.

It annoys the heck out of me. When I worked in DC ten years ago, I was using Pagemaker to do the layout on all of our pr materials to promote our annual meetings. That included a 70 page program guide. I'd put it on a disk and give it to the printer with the photos.

But I did it ALL by myself. And I'm no HTML wiz by any stretch. But it doesn't take as long as they say it does...

27,677 posted on 09/25/2002 7:59:56 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog; Corin Stormhands
I was a very heavy user of WordPerfect back in the early 90's, and loved the code-view feature. The first version of WordPerfect for Windows would let you toggle that feature... but the program was otherwise very buggy and not very good. It wound up killing the company.

I think the lack of "code-view" in MS Word is why I was never comfortable using the program (and I'm still not comfortable using it.) I do very good with HTML coding, though. ;)
27,678 posted on 09/25/2002 8:01:13 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; All
Well, goodnite all. I was getting a little excited about hitting post 27777 until I realized that's another hundred or so posts...
27,679 posted on 09/25/2002 8:13:29 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
I think that's a sign it's time for bed. :) Have a good night!
27,680 posted on 09/25/2002 8:19:06 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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