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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: RosieCotton
I don't think there are any tunes specifically for color-pointed cats

Nothing for calicoes or orange tabbies? ("niece" and "nepwhew" cats)

26,561 posted on 09/20/2002 8:24:17 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
It is our other little place! - There are files and other mathoms there that we collected.... And a chat room.

We go there sometimes and idly chat, and sometimes we watch the movie together, and chat through it... kinda like whispering in the theater!

The chat room is good for other live events, like the Oscars, too, when that time comes!

I will FRMail you an invitation! - It is a private place just for us, so I have to keep it secret, keep is safe! Do you have a yahoo ID already? If not you will need one... I will send you the instructions in a minute!

Since Spet. 22 is Bilbo's birthday, we think it would be good to do a chat view, perhaps Sunday evening!
26,562 posted on 09/20/2002 8:24:29 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed
How about for cat owners who can's spell? nepwhew=nephew
26,563 posted on 09/20/2002 8:25:11 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Still can't spell!
26,564 posted on 09/20/2002 8:25:52 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: SuziQ
Everytime I read about stuffing, they are always warning about making sure the interior of the turkey has reached a certain temperature or you should throw the stuffing out.

That's why we never did it inside the turkey. Mom was always paranoid about foods being done enough...

We have a constant debate over dry vs mushy dressing / stuffing. (Of course, ours is the proper breadcrumb dressing rather than cornbread...;-) Some of my more vocal brothers like it mushy...some like it dryish. That comes up EVERY SINGLE YEAR now. Dad usually makes it...that was always his part of the meal, that and loading the turkey into the oven and carving it when it was done.

Here it is not even the end of September, and I'm already starting Thanksgiving discussions! Shame on me!

26,565 posted on 09/20/2002 8:31:39 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Overtaxed
Well...all of mine are seal-point types. Nothing for them, unless there are tunes that reference Siam or the Himalayas!
26,566 posted on 09/20/2002 8:32:59 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
But then, I don't expect my kitty to dance jigs anytime soon. :)
26,567 posted on 09/20/2002 8:35:16 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
other mathoms

Mathoms? I see this is my day to learn all sorts of new things. Heading for the dictionary....

26,568 posted on 09/20/2002 8:38:11 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
Mathoms? I see this is my day to learn all sorts of new things. Heading for the dictionary....

It probably won't be in the dictionary...it's a hobbit word. See here

26,569 posted on 09/20/2002 8:40:44 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
For the definition of mathoms, I think you will want to look in a hobbit dictionary!

At no time had Hobbits of any kind been warlike, and they had never fought among themselves. In olden days they had, of course, been often obliged to fight to maintain themselves in a hard world; but in Bilbo's time that was very ancient history. The last battle, before this story opens, and indeed the only one that had ever been fought within the borders of the Shire, was beyond living memory: the Battle of Greenfields, S.R. 1147, in which Bandobras Took routed an invasion of Orcs. Even the weathers had grown milder, and the wolves that had once come ravening out of the North in bitter white winters were now only a grandfather's tale. So, though there was still some store of weapons in the Shire, these were used mostly as trophies, hanging above hearths or on walls, or gathered into the museum at Michel Delving. The Mathom-house it was called; for anything that Hobbits had no immediate use for, but were unwilling to throw away, they called a mathom. Their dwellings were apt to become rather crowded with mathoms, and many of the presents that passed from hand to hand were of that sort.

26,570 posted on 09/20/2002 8:41:39 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
No such word in the dictionary. Must be a techie term... I'll figure it out from context later.....
26,571 posted on 09/20/2002 8:43:44 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: HairOfTheDog
Like a proper hobbit, I have LOTS of mathoms...far too many, I'm afraid!
26,572 posted on 09/20/2002 8:44:07 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: SuziQ
Oh and the particular whistle I was playing was a Feadóg brass D. You can get them on Ebay for a few bucks, but don't come with any tutorial, and I wish Hair had the tutorial...it would help her. If your daughter has any kind of musical experience though, she probably doesn't need the tutorial and could get away with just a whistle alone.

I've bought 4 whistles from this guy in Ireland.

26,573 posted on 09/20/2002 8:44:57 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog
Doh! I should have known better; had completely forgotten this passage. What an endearing concept. A name for the things packrats can't get rid of. I love it!
26,574 posted on 09/20/2002 8:46:32 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic

26,575 posted on 09/20/2002 8:49:12 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom
I have a little musical experience, at least, I used to be able to read music. I played the trumpet!

I just have no control over the sound it is making! Maybe if I had played a wind intrument instead of a brass. I am blowing too hard I think.

How many whistles do you have?
26,576 posted on 09/20/2002 8:51:33 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Let's see. I have 2 Feadóg Ds, a Meg in C and one in D, a cane whistle in B, and my Susato in D. I'm expecting in the mail that Hoover Bb from that guy, and I ordered Generation High G, F, and Eb and am expecting it in the mail. I also got another Feadóg from that guy in Ireland...don't know why I bought it.

How many is that?
26,577 posted on 09/20/2002 8:57:22 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
How many is that?

Lots?

26,578 posted on 09/20/2002 9:00:22 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: 2Jedismom
I think I count eleven...
26,579 posted on 09/20/2002 9:03:45 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; rightwingreligiousfanatic
That growth moved to the other side of the blue guy's head. He may be in big trouble.
26,580 posted on 09/20/2002 9:22:15 AM PDT by ksen
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