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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: JenB
anyone watching this really cool Egypt special on Fox?

If they find the alien transmitter or the secret library of Atlantis, please let us know.

25,921 posted on 09/16/2002 6:45:04 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog
Good evening!

but at least he is doing it and not me.

That's always a plus in my book!

25,922 posted on 09/16/2002 6:46:59 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
If I had more to say, I could have a Funkle.
25,923 posted on 09/16/2002 6:50:43 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Or I could just fake it... funkle!
25,924 posted on 09/16/2002 6:51:07 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I don't think one is supposed to TRY for a funkle!
25,925 posted on 09/16/2002 7:02:59 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Drain is fixed... So now I should probably do dishes!
25,926 posted on 09/16/2002 7:03:45 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I was just so excited at the possibility of having one, I couldn't help myself.

It's a faux funkle.
25,927 posted on 09/16/2002 7:04:14 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Its funkle fraud...
25,928 posted on 09/16/2002 7:05:12 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Drain is fixed... So now I should probably do dishes!

Talk about good news and bad news!

Just finished dinner here, now it's time for chocolate ice cream!

25,929 posted on 09/16/2002 7:05:44 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
It is the good news and the bad news... I have a few days worth here stacked up... The drain quit Saturday morning. :~(
25,930 posted on 09/16/2002 7:07:09 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I have a few days worth here stacked up

Uhmm, that wouldn't be very unusual in our house... (blush)

25,931 posted on 09/16/2002 7:09:12 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Nor is it unusual here... but see, I have this excuse of the drain bein out, so I thought I would use it!
25,932 posted on 09/16/2002 7:10:12 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
LOL! I'm going to have to come up with a good excuse like that....
25,933 posted on 09/16/2002 7:12:33 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
It's a faux funkle.

Say that 10 times real fast...but not where anyone can hear you!

25,934 posted on 09/16/2002 7:19:11 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
You watching the game? We had it on, but turned it off 'cause Mom is helping Corin, Jr. finish his homework...
25,935 posted on 09/16/2002 7:20:00 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog
I have a few days worth here stacked up... The drain quit Saturday morning.

That's why God created "take out."

25,936 posted on 09/16/2002 7:20:47 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Say that 10 times real fast

hehehehe, no thank you!

Yes, we have the game on... I'm cheering for the Eagles, for two reasons: lot's of ex-Packers on the team, and Steve Spurrier is coaching the Redskins.

25,937 posted on 09/16/2002 7:29:57 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I'm cheering for the Eagles...

Excuse me?


25,938 posted on 09/16/2002 7:36:20 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Nice axes!

Rose is a Dallas fan, so no way is she going to let me cheer for Washington. Not that I would anyway, 'cause I don't like Spurrier....

Me, I'm a Packers fan!

25,939 posted on 09/16/2002 7:48:05 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; HairOfTheDog; JenB; Overtaxed; All
Well, it's not lookin' pretty and I'm not going to be able to stay awake for the rest of the game.

C'mon Redskins...

G'nite Bear. G'nite John Boy. G'nite Mary Ellen. G'nite Mama...

25,940 posted on 09/16/2002 7:55:11 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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