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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Overtaxed

25,021 posted on 09/10/2002 8:22:15 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Inge_CAV
Ugh... I can't imagine it has a show origin, really, it does? - They look so ugly without tails! And they don't just cut the hair, they removed the bone too in the guy above!
25,022 posted on 09/10/2002 8:23:24 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Inge_CAV
Have a picture of your draft horses you can post?
25,023 posted on 09/10/2002 8:25:13 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Don't have pics of them online that I can post, Arrrrgh!!!

They are Percherons too, like your pic above. Only
mine are more iron-gray and dappled. The mare that has your name on her is solid light gray though. : )
25,024 posted on 09/10/2002 8:31:38 PM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: Inge_CAV
hehehe - Don't send her yet! - I don't have enough hay yet! (or a big enough barn!)
25,025 posted on 09/10/2002 8:33:09 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
You will need more pasture too. : )
25,026 posted on 09/10/2002 8:37:33 PM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: Inge_CAV
Every single thing around here is too small!
25,027 posted on 09/10/2002 8:39:20 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
She is a Big girl! hehehe!
25,028 posted on 09/10/2002 8:41:09 PM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: Inge_CAV

In the 1930s, a Belgian stallion by the name of Brooklyn Supreme became know as the world's largest horse at 19.2 hands and 3,200 pounds. He boasted a girth of 10 feet two inches around. It took 30 inches of iron for each one of his horseshoes.

25,029 posted on 09/10/2002 8:47:35 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
And they are as gentle as can be. : )
25,030 posted on 09/10/2002 8:53:54 PM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Thanks for the feedback on the Crusades, LCS. That's a good point about the continuation of Classical civilization.

On a side note, I believe the reason the "ethnic Albanians," who look like any Europeans, are Moslem is that their ancestors were forcibly converted centuries ago. Interesting what a backwater of Europe they represent.

I think it is only in the last 30 years that the Crusades have acquired their negative reputation, I assume as part of political correctness and its attack on Western Civilization (I notice that when Western Civilization is being attacked, they don't attack the main evil that it has produced, socialism. Big surprise, as the Left is the attacker).

When I learned about the Crusades as a kid, in the 50's, they were presented in a favorable light.
25,031 posted on 09/10/2002 9:00:42 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Inge_CAV

"And they are as gentle as can be."

That's fortunate, I think.

25,032 posted on 09/10/2002 9:02:02 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Inge_CAV
He is magnificent, but stallions only one-third his weight are enough of a challenge to be around!
25,033 posted on 09/10/2002 9:04:39 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Inge_CAV; All
I am going to bed now... I am a tired hobbit!

Here is a night-light for the night wanderers to see by!


25,034 posted on 09/10/2002 9:14:11 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Good night Hair, All, me too.
25,035 posted on 09/10/2002 9:15:34 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: HairOfTheDog; Sam Cree
I meant in general, like mares and geldings, not specific as in stallions.

None of them, of any horse breed, have much sense and are to be avoided. : )

25,036 posted on 09/10/2002 9:16:19 PM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: HairOfTheDog; All
Turning in too, Good Night. : )

25,037 posted on 09/10/2002 9:18:39 PM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: Sam Cree
I believe the reason the "ethnic Albanians," who look like any Europeans, are Moslem is that their ancestors were forcibly converted centuries ago.

Actually it is a deal more complicated than that. The ancestors of the Albanians were known as the Illyrians, who entered history in the first chapters of 'The Peloppenisian War', later Illyria was one part of Caesar's consular province (the rest being Gauls). The Illyrians were a seperate branch of the Indo-Europeans, distinct from both the Italic and Greek peoples.

After the reign of the Emperor Justinian, Slavs, mostly Serbo-Croations took control of the Balkans north of Greece, the Illyrians were forced back into hill country, in the area now known as Kosovo. They were dominated by both the Empire to the south, and the slavs all around them. In the 14th century a heresy known as the bogomil heresy broke out it Bulgaria, and spread to the areas of Bosnia and Kosovo, where the Illyrians, now called Albanians adopted it. The Catholic West and Orthodox East cooperated in expunging this heresy, slaughtering innumerable Bulgars, Bosnians, and Albanians, and oppressed the survivors.

When the Ottoman Turks arrived in the 15th century, these peoples considered them almost as liberators, since the Ottoman oppression of Christians was not as severe as the oppression of the heretics. Over time, they gravitated to Islam, because of their bitterness towards both Catholics and Orthodox.

It is for this reason that Bosnia and Albania, and to a lesser extent, Bulgaria, became the strongest Islamic Balkan territories west of eastern Thrace (the lands around Byzantium). Something similar happenned in the Moslem conquest of Egypt, in which the local Christians were Monophysite heretics, who had been suppressed by the Empire. Despite its size and wealth, Egypt put up only token resistance to the Arabs. What remains of the old Monophysite Egyptians are known as the Copts (the Greek word for Egyptian), a small minority in their own ancient land.

This is an oversimplified summary of over 3000 years of very complex history, and I hope I have not gone on too much about this here. I guess I will take it to freepmail next time.

25,038 posted on 09/10/2002 9:30:02 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: HairOfTheDog; Inge_CAV
Jeesh, where did everybody go? And what is that crack about how all horses are OK, except for guy horses. Sounds a little sexist to me!
25,039 posted on 09/10/2002 9:36:33 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
No, you can talk about anything you want here, big horses, Albanian history, even Tolkien books ;~D

It is sexist dear, they are different! I have owned a stallion, and a remarkably gentlemanly one at that that, but they are not for the half asleep! -Which I am right now! - I am going to bed! Good night!
25,040 posted on 09/10/2002 9:59:12 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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