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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: 2Jedismom
ARRG!

MSNBC just did this really clumsy-nervous-breaking-news-type interruption of an interview... and then cut to a flippin news conference about the Martha Stewart investigation.

They need to be a bit more responsible about using the breaking news banner. They have 24 hours in a day to cover this crap. < /rant >

24,901 posted on 09/10/2002 11:38:38 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: RosieCotton
I think I'm the only immature one watching the thread right now...hey, whatever gets me the precious!
24,902 posted on 09/10/2002 11:39:11 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: 2Jedismom
and sure don't do .com!

Well you know I had to try it after a warning like that! [covers eyes]

24,903 posted on 09/10/2002 11:41:02 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: RosieCotton
hehehehe - finding yourself to be the only one misbehaving? - takes all the fun out of it doesn't it?
24,904 posted on 09/10/2002 11:42:15 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
takes all the fun out of it doesn't it?

Well...some of it anyway.

There's nothing quite so satisfying as snatching a precious from under someone's nose at the very last second...

24,905 posted on 09/10/2002 11:44:18 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
2 shameless episodes in one day!?!? Double-dog shameless....
24,906 posted on 09/10/2002 11:50:16 AM PDT by ksen
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To: RosieCotton; HairOfTheDog
There's nothing quite so satisfying as snatching a precious from under someone's nose at the very last second...

Hair know ALL about that. She has snuck her share from sneaky sneaks.

24,907 posted on 09/10/2002 11:51:58 AM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
That is right... I have. But only in a sacrifice to save you from yourselves!
24,908 posted on 09/10/2002 12:04:58 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
" I tend to do better with ideas and trends!"

In addition to which, IMO, your arguments have lots of common sense and also, compassion and kindness.

Hair, I read on an FR thread that the Crusades were defensive more than they were attacks bent on conquering peaceful Moslems.

The holy land, along with all North Africa, Byzantium, etc. had been Christian for 300+ years when attacked and forcibly converted by Muslim armies that also tried, and partially succeeded, to conquer Europe. The Crusades, therefore were an effort to regain for Christianity that which had been taken by force by Jihad. A defensive effort in other words.

The thread, "The Real History of the Crusades"has this address: http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/701492/posts

Sorry, I don't know how to link.

I enjoy history, but am not so good at it either, maybe LCS can weigh in on this.

24,909 posted on 09/10/2002 12:06:51 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: HairOfTheDog
Back later
24,910 posted on 09/10/2002 12:07:37 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
common sense and also, compassion and kindness.

[blush] Why thank you kind sir! That was nice!

Thanks for the link too... Perhaps I will know more about it the next time I try to talk about it!

And I have to run out too... be back later all!

24,911 posted on 09/10/2002 12:13:50 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: RosieCotton
whatever gets me the precious!

I suspect you'll find the next one more hotly contested.... ;)

24,912 posted on 09/10/2002 12:27:44 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I suspect you'll find the next one more hotly contested.... ;)

Yeah, a triple aught precious!

Unfortunately I'll most likely be off-line by then. I'll just have to content myself with the other two snáigs I did today...

24,913 posted on 09/10/2002 12:30:21 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Have I kilt it entirely?
24,914 posted on 09/10/2002 1:38:28 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Guess so...and now it's time to head home! Maybe by tomorrow people will come back?
24,915 posted on 09/10/2002 1:59:56 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: HairOfTheDog
I dont have much time to look up whether or not this has been posted on the thread...but thought I would point you guys HERE
24,916 posted on 09/10/2002 2:00:26 PM PDT by Alkhin
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To: RosieCotton
All of the Hobbitses are entranced by the news, methinks.

I'm testing an install program... each test takes about 1/2 hour, which gives me time to visit while waiting for the install to finish...
24,917 posted on 09/10/2002 2:04:08 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: RosieCotton

24,918 posted on 09/10/2002 2:06:02 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I'm just checkin' in between errands (okay, I'm stalling...)
24,919 posted on 09/10/2002 2:21:05 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Am I like persona non grata now??

hello everyone!!

24,920 posted on 09/10/2002 2:37:54 PM PDT by Alkhin
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