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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: 2Jedismom
99 days, and you know its the hours that will drive you nuts!
24,661 posted on 09/09/2002 12:44:35 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
That is Smeagol and Deagol! (I did caption it....)

Oops, my bad! I didn't see the text between the pics, sorry!

I asked about the horses because I've read that what we would consider draft horses today were used to carry knights-in-armour during the Middle Ages... they needed sturdy horses to carry that much weight! In the later pic with Aragorn fighting the Orc though, his horse does look more like a standard riding horse.

As for the girl, I'm sure the writer of that piece meant to state that Viggo was just purchasing her services... uh, to care for his new horse. ;)

24,662 posted on 09/09/2002 12:48:42 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I don't think there was ever any doubt.
24,663 posted on 09/09/2002 12:48:58 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: 2Jedismom
The ping has taken her...
24,664 posted on 09/09/2002 12:49:44 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
LOL! Not really. I just have some downtime. Joshua is napping and Matt's at his co-ops. A friend took him so I am home with nothing really to do. Matt'll be home soon and I'll be working on the rest of his schoolwork with him. I'm tickled that I have time to sit here with you for a while...it's the best pictures I've seen in a long time!
24,665 posted on 09/09/2002 12:52:20 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear

24,666 posted on 09/09/2002 12:54:11 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
And on the triple-six, no less!
24,667 posted on 09/09/2002 12:55:27 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
LOL - what timing!
24,668 posted on 09/09/2002 12:57:42 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: 2Jedismom
I've always liked that saying! :)
24,669 posted on 09/09/2002 1:03:41 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: 2Jedismom
Ooo, ME ME ME!!!! ;0)
24,670 posted on 09/09/2002 1:07:48 PM PDT by hunyb
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; 2Jedismom
There's a place around here that sells that saying as a bumper sticker, but it's kind of a witches shop and pretty weird so I've never been in there. It IS funny, though.
24,671 posted on 09/09/2002 1:08:35 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Actually, I think he bought her a horse too, and purchased her um... services... and - oh forget it! ;~D

You are right about the large breeds required to carry the knights in armor. They did not look so much like the modern clunky Clydesdale or Belgian-type draft horse, but they were large strong riding horses of some magnificence!

Two of the ones still bred true to that style today are the Friesian (commonly seen in medieval costume in demonstrations and shows):

And of course, carrying knights to battle was the original purpose of the Lipizaner Of Spanish Riding School fame. They are bigger than they look... Large in size but still with very fine features and grace:


24,672 posted on 09/09/2002 1:21:16 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Are Lipizaners the breed with that unusual kinda floaty gait?

A group that did shows with Lipizaners (I THINK that's the right breed!) came to a town near where I lived when I was little. We didn't see the actual show, but I hung out and watched them exercise the horses for awhile. I remember being amazed at how muscular they looked - really sturdy looking horses, and gorgeous.
24,673 posted on 09/09/2002 1:32:23 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
I like going to weird places... you never know what you might find! :)
24,674 posted on 09/09/2002 1:33:27 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog
I like Clydesdales, they have hairy feet! And they're big, too... here's a pic of one I found on the web:


24,675 posted on 09/09/2002 1:36:40 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I like going to weird places... you never know what you might find! :)

Oh, so do I, within reason! There's another place in town that's similar (has crystals and the whole bit), but the "weird place" I first mentioned has such an anti-Christian air (the owner has lot o' aggravating bumper stickers on her car in addition to the one mentioned) that I'm afraid the place would blow up if I walked in...

24,676 posted on 09/09/2002 1:38:39 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
They are magnificent, and that one may not be entirely mature Bear... Some are even bigger than that! Few men could look over their backs, and he doesn't appear to have the girth and width of others I have seen.
24,677 posted on 09/09/2002 1:42:56 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
People still use horses for logging in some areas around here - the land is too steep for tractors unless you build roads. When I was a kid, a guy logged down the road from us for awhile with a Percheron - talk about a big horse!

He was a baby, though...loved to be petted and sweet talked. We used to wait for him at the end of the day and give him apples, which he adored.

I would go find a picture, but I think I'll avoid posting images for awhile...

24,678 posted on 09/09/2002 1:43:49 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
The is an extended kind of floaty gait that is taught and refined in a lot of advanced dressage horses, but yes, Lippizans are the masters of dressage.
24,679 posted on 09/09/2002 1:45:06 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; RosieCotton
Here's a cutie... even the foals are big!

I haven't found many pictures of Percherons, but I did find this interesting link: Origin and History of the Percheron Horse

24,680 posted on 09/09/2002 1:50:23 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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