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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: HairOfTheDog
Well, that's good. I wasn't enough of a trouble maker in high school, very quiet and bookish. I'd change that if I could, I think.

Although, come to think of it, my beard did make a few waves I guess....
24,421 posted on 09/06/2002 9:42:16 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
I am not an elf either! - That is the second time tonight someone has made that mistake!

I am very definately a hobbit, but an elf-friend... Perhaps that is what you are seeing in my aura!

Oh boy... and it doesn't take many pints to tire a hobbit! - I am not going to last long here! Getting very drowsy.... [yawn]

Not to mention the temperature is dropping and I need to go cuddle under blankets because I refuse to turn the furnace on while it is still September. This is gonna be a long month.

Ginsu Hobbit

24,422 posted on 09/06/2002 9:47:28 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Saw your comment on the recent BADJOE thread, haven't looked at it yet. Is it the same sort of stuff, or something new? So is he in, our, or what?
24,423 posted on 09/06/2002 9:48:33 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: HairOfTheDog
I thought Hobbits had a large capacity for good food and drink!

Oh well, I need to cash in my chips and call it a night too.

Make sure you take a dog or two with you!

Good night all.
24,424 posted on 09/06/2002 9:53:30 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I tried and hung out with every clique in school at various times. I was a jock, I was a stoner, I was a punk-rocker, I was a bible thumper. I learned what made all of them tick! And I had friends from all those groups of folk. I was an amalgam. The guy I saw tonight was a guy from the stoner stage. Perhaps that has something to do with why I didn't recognize him. He was a bigger stoner than me though, and he recognized me... What is up with that?

He went in the Air Force for 8 years. That was a surprise. He said a good friend of ours from then drowned scuba diving in the Atlantic a year ago. I still haven't figured out where to file that.
24,425 posted on 09/06/2002 9:55:12 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Oh I think it is a big party thread now. I don't think he got any support for this tantrum.... shoulda quit while he was at least not behind.

I didn't comment after 100 I don't think... It was becoming a cheese thread... with occasional mockable attempts at seriousness. I am too tired to jump in tonight!
24,426 posted on 09/06/2002 10:01:23 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Well.... if all of ya' have off and gone to bed, I guess I will too. I am freezing!

Good night!
24,427 posted on 09/06/2002 10:15:34 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I am freezing!

Well, it is 73 degrees here, after 1 am. A normal night in September. Good night, and keep warm!

24,428 posted on 09/06/2002 10:22:18 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: HairOfTheDog
Oh I think it is a big party thread now.

Well, as of the middle of the night(why do I stay up so late?), it has about 1800 posts, and seems to be a standard libertarian vs. Republican flame war. I see no point in reading it to see its various permutations.

24,429 posted on 09/07/2002 1:49:02 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: HairOfTheDog; Sam Cree; All
I am not an elf either! -

See...even the elffriend doesn't want to be an elf!

Happy New Year, Sam.

Good Morning, everyone!

24,430 posted on 09/07/2002 4:35:22 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed; Sam Cree; HairOfTheDog; Lucius Cornelius Sulla; Bear_in_RoseBear
Good Morning All.

Happy New Year Sam.

Hair, just remember that two (or more) can play at this keyword game...that's all I'm saying...

24,431 posted on 09/07/2002 4:49:25 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog
Hair,

These are the meds the vet gave us for the dog:

Tri-Otic: Antibiotic for 14 days
Hydroxyzine: 25 mgs per day for 30 days. (I take the same thing for my allergies! Wait 'til I tell Al Gore's Mom!)
ChlorhexiDerm: That's the ear flush. And that's what we'll continue after the others are done. That doesn't sound too bad.

24,432 posted on 09/07/2002 4:58:14 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Later all. Busy day here.

We have drama and dance workshops today in preparation for our Christmas production. It's going to be fun this year with the telling of dysfunctional nursery rhymes morphing into first century Bethlehem...

Tonite we have neighborhood picnic (I get to step down as President) and Corin, Jr's first football game of the season.

So much for yard work/working on the house...

24,433 posted on 09/07/2002 5:01:04 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
One more thing...
24,434 posted on 09/07/2002 5:01:38 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands; HairOfTheDog
This is just so I can say "funkle."
24,435 posted on 09/07/2002 5:02:05 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Overtaxed; Corin Stormhands; All
Good morning Overtaxed, and everyone!

Trying to figure out whether to go back to bed or not.

Hope that Fay will not prove to be a problem for Texas, too bad she is going there instead of the east coast where there doesn't seem to be rain in sight this AM.
24,436 posted on 09/07/2002 5:39:52 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Corin Stormhands
Good morning! - Looks like he didn't have a yeast infection at all then.... no anti-fungals in there... Must be a plain ole ear infection, with the odd twist of the allergy thing. Good luck with it!

And good morning!
24,437 posted on 09/07/2002 6:17:01 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Sam Cree
Why is everyone wishing you a Happy New year? - Did I miss something last night? - Did I oversleep?

Happy New Year!
24,438 posted on 09/07/2002 6:20:00 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Sam Cree
Trying to figure out whether to go back to bed or not.

Me too.... I probably will go bad to bed. It is only 6:21 here.... Had to get up to feed the ponies, but it is freezing in here (not as bad as the other night but still only 45 degrees) so bed sounds good!

24,439 posted on 09/07/2002 6:22:56 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Good morning, Hair

It's Rosh Hashanah. Thank you!

Yeah, it's not early here anymore, but the return to bed option has a definite allure.

24,440 posted on 09/07/2002 6:35:14 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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