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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: Sam Cree
Amen to that Sam Cree!!

*I'm* a bigger fan of Harry Potter than my daughter is simply because Rowlings makes me laugh (she has a really great sense of humor and I have always held the view that much of the 'magic' she throws in there is tongue-in-cheek.) On top of that, she introduces a LOT of mythology and history into a new format that I believe actually educates them. For instance, *I* dont ever remember reading about the Philosopher's Stone in any book I had in school, yet, the Philosopher's Stone was the end theory of a lot of medieval and early Renaissance thought. It leads to so much more.

She obviously loves including a lot of the classical mythological characters/creatures...and anyone who sneezes, much less screams, about that is someone who is a woefully bereft of thought and intelligence. How can so many of them sit there and wail about how its destroying Western Christianity, and then act like ancient Greece and ancient Rome had nothing to do with Christianity????

Best way *I* describe these people is that they are dry bread. No flavor, no freshness, no life to them at all. Their view of the world is toast.

24,241 posted on 09/06/2002 12:08:45 PM PDT by Alkhin
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To: RosieCotton
You're alright Rosie. I only saw some funny pics. Don't worry about it. Shake it off.

I KNOW! I bet a 60 post sneak will help make you feel better. Just ask Corin.
24,242 posted on 09/06/2002 12:09:03 PM PDT by ksen
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
we are just Americans like you

Have you got a Minnesota accent yet? :)

24,243 posted on 09/06/2002 12:09:06 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: RosieCotton
Rosie! - What on earth have you done????

LOL! - I leave for awhile and you go nuts on us?

Please fill me in! - What did you post, and what did it change to?
24,244 posted on 09/06/2002 12:10:32 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
I'm sure Minnesota is a wonderful state. I actually like St. Paul. But, if it's the same by you, I just won't be visiting in the winter.
24,245 posted on 09/06/2002 12:11:46 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: RosieCotton
Well, darn, I didn't see them...or should I be thankful?
24,246 posted on 09/06/2002 12:12:37 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Harmful deeds are committed to bring about positive results...

...or say perhaps, dropping a pebble into a dark dank well???

...or pilfering a crystal ball out from under the elbow of a wizard?

...or breaking oath to save someone's life?

Tell whoever wrote that there is a little hobbit I would like to introduce him to. He's as fierce as a dragon in a pinch, when he's not enjoying the finer things of life, like food and cheer.

24,247 posted on 09/06/2002 12:12:41 PM PDT by Alkhin
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To: RosieCotton
my brother said they have much more in common with Roald Dahl

Except Dahl had much more talent.

24,248 posted on 09/06/2002 12:12:53 PM PDT by Rocko
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To: ksen
Well, I was experiencing a temporary slowdown there for a few...
24,249 posted on 09/06/2002 12:13:15 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
You just don't handle this weather change thing well do you Hair?

We just have such tempermental weather! - It is notable that a few weeks ago it was 85 and now it is 39 at night!

24,250 posted on 09/06/2002 12:13:36 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I like to think not. (Yah shure, you betcha!)
24,251 posted on 09/06/2002 12:15:18 PM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: ksen; RosieCotton; g'nad
From someone who has read the book - the movie was miscast and the screenplay badly done. I was disapointed with Fellowship of the Rings.

...And the earth, she's flat I tell you!

24,252 posted on 09/06/2002 12:19:21 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Sam Cree; Alkhin; Corin Stormhands; JenB
Hey! I was just posting an article that I thought was interesting. In the foreword to the book the author said he was concerned that people seemed to fall into either side of an extreme argument: 1) If you let your kids read Harry Potter they will turn into a Satanist and go to Hell, or 2) There is absolutely nothing wrong with Harry Potter.

He wanted to take a middle of the road approach. He wasn’t so much worried about the magical aspect of Harry Potter as he was the ethical message, i.e. it is ok to lie in certain situations, it is ok to cheat in certain situations, etc. I am still up in the air. I haven’t read them and my kids haven’t read them because I haven’t read them.

24,253 posted on 09/06/2002 12:22:05 PM PDT by ksen
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To: HairOfTheDog
... I was disapointed with Fellowship of the Rings...


24,254 posted on 09/06/2002 12:22:58 PM PDT by g'nad
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To: g'nad
What is that? A pic of a mohawk?.........oh, oops. ;^)
24,255 posted on 09/06/2002 12:25:12 PM PDT by ksen
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To: g'nad
Nice butt.... - Quarter horse?
24,256 posted on 09/06/2002 12:25:18 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
So this is what the vet said about Sam's ears (my dog Sam, not Sam Cree, I assume his are okay)

He cleaned them out and says it looks like a chronic infection. He reminded me (I'd forgotten) that we treated something similar last year.

So he says to me, he says, "we'll give you some medicine and some antihistimines in case it's an allergy and we'll treat him daily, then weekly then down to twice a month, but this will be an ongoing thing..."

Should I believe all of that?

And what do I do if the dog is allergic to the kids?

24,257 posted on 09/06/2002 12:25:25 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog
I told PJ-Comix that "From Here to Eternity" was the most liberal PC movie I had ever seen. I haven't heard back from him yet. ;^)
24,258 posted on 09/06/2002 12:27:12 PM PDT by ksen
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To: Corin Stormhands
And what do I do if the dog is allergic to the kids?

Find a good home for them that doesn't have dogs?

24,259 posted on 09/06/2002 12:29:06 PM PDT by ksen
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To: g'nad
ROFLMAO!!!! perfect!
24,260 posted on 09/06/2002 12:29:14 PM PDT by Alkhin
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