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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

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To: HairOfTheDog
MMM mmm...breakfst! what're we havin?...

just got done stuffin' my face with mucho barbeue...we had a farewell lunvh here for a couple of Marines... think I'll quietly slip into a food coma...then run till I pass out to work it off...and so I can drink pints tonite...

24,181 posted on 09/06/2002 9:52:59 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: RosieCotton
What do you recommend from Green Linnet? At $7, I'll try a couple....
24,182 posted on 09/06/2002 9:53:40 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: g'nad
then run till I pass out to work it off...

Do you at least run in a safe place? - I would hate to see you layin' on a sidewalk somewhere until you recover!

24,183 posted on 09/06/2002 9:55:22 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I run on trails and the track...hey, I like livin' dangerously...
24,184 posted on 09/06/2002 9:57:06 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: HairOfTheDog; JenB; Overtaxed; g'nad; Corin Stormhands; Sam Cree; Bear_in_RoseBear; RosieCotton; ...
Have any of you ever read Harry Potter and the Bible by Richard Abanes? I was talking with someone this summer who recommended the book to me. I haven’t read it yet but I found this excerpt from chapter 12 "Beyond Fantasy: Tolkien, Lewis, and Potter" on the net. Let me know what you think:

Stop comparing Harry Potter to The Lord of the Rings. . . . Rowling's series is elitist kiddie fare that serves to make modern American children even more narcissistic than they are, and Tolkien's is a masterpiece and—this is crucial—a completely adult tragedy with profound moral and religious implications.

Mark Gauvreau Judge commentator, Baltimore City Paper

In an effort to deflect concerns about Rowling's books, Potter supporters have consistently likened the Harry Potter series to the works of J.R.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis. This has been done continuously through an unending stream of news stories, interviews, and book reviews. The following statement by Judy Corman, spokesperson for Scholastic Press (J.K. Rowling's U.S. publisher), is typical: "There's something these parents are missing, which is it's a magical book. It takes its place along the best in classic literature for children, along with . . . The Chronicles of Narnia [C.S. Lewis] and Lord of the Rings [J.R.R. Tolkien]." A similar comment appeared in a Knight Ridder News Service story: "Rowling's books are not so much anti-Christian as they are fully Christian, drawing on the legacy of fellow British writers C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien, whose popular tales about the magical lands of Narnia and Middle Earth were written as Christian allegory."

But such a position is seriously flawed. Most obviously, because the fantasy tales of Tolkien and Lewis fall within the category of mythopoetic literature, meaning that they take place in worlds disassociated from the real world in which we live. As Dr. Curt Brannan of Washington's Bear Creek School District observes: "[In Lewis' and Tolkien's works] there is no confusion in the child's mind . . . that these are mythical characters in a mythical place." The Harry Potter books, however, are not mythopoetic. Unlike Lewis' and Tolkien's creations, Rowling's world is our 1990s world, complete with contemporary forms of occultism (e.g., astrology and divination), and references to persons and events from our own human history (e.g., Nicholas Flamel, Hand of Glory, Witch Hunts). Rowling's novels also use a vastly different definition of "magic" than the one used by Lewis and Tolkien. Furthermore, the Harry Potter series promotes a concept of right and wrong that is radically altered from the one presented by Lewis and Tolkien. In the works Lewis (and Tolkien) issues of "morality and integrity are at stake and dealt with as important and significant concerns."

Tolkien, for instance, illustrates right and wrong/good and evil not only through the choices his characters make, but how those choices affect others. His stories raise issues involving the consequences of disobedience, the merits of self-sacrifice, the detrimental effects of negative emotions (e.g., pride, greed, lust, unforgiveness, etc.), and the need to fulfill one's responsibilities for the benefit of others, even when those responsibilities are difficult and painful.

Lewis' tales offer similar morality lessons. The most obvious example involves the disobedience of Edmund Pevensie, a little boy whose errant ways subject him to the power of the wicked White Witch. To rescue Edmund, Aslan offers himself as a sacrifice on the ancient Stone Table. Although he is killed, Aslan rises again through a "deeper" magic unknown to the witch. This sacrificial love convicts Edmund of his evil ways, and he repents of his sins. Ultimately, the once mischievous Edmund is transformed by Aslan's love into Narnia's "King Edmund the Just." In the Harry Potter series, however, morality is presented inconsistently. Bad characters turn out to be good. Good characters turn out to be bad. Misbehavior is condoned as long as the eventual outcome is either fun or rewarding (e.g., Harry's lying and disobedience). Good deeds bring about evil results (Harry shows mercy by sparing Pettigrew's life, but this eventually leads to the rising of Voldemort and the murder of Cedric). Harmful deeds are committed to bring about positive results (e.g., Sirius Black, while in the form of a dog, drags Ron into a secret corridor beneath a tree, breaking Ron's leg in the process, in order to get Harry to follow and learn the truth about Peter Pettigrew). In short, Rowling's moral universe is a topsy-turvy world with no firm rules of right and wrong, or any godly principles by which to determine the truly good from the truly evil.

Having never read any of Harry Potter I was wondering if any of you agreed with the above.

24,185 posted on 09/06/2002 10:11:52 AM PDT by ksen
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To: g'nad
As many as you can get. Then I'll introduce you to the neighbor.
24,186 posted on 09/06/2002 10:12:07 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: g'nad; Sam Cree
Something to do with spending hours sitting still in the freezing cold, watching the sun rise and the woods animals wake up

I did that watching the Leonids last year....does that count?

24,187 posted on 09/06/2002 10:14:29 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
What do you recommend from Green Linnet? At $7, I'll try a couple....

Do you prefer instrumental or vocal, slow or fast, very traditional or somewhat modern?

I like a lot of 'em, actually, but just ordered Shantalla, Patrick Street/Compendium, and The Bothy Band/Live in Concert. (Three CDs is a major splurge, but I still have a TON on my wish list, and for $7, I can't help it!)

You can listen to a LOT of their albums (full albums, not samples) online here.

Whistle Note: OT, this would be a GREAT time to pick up Joannie Madden's CD ("A Whistle on the Wind")...it's a good 'un!

24,188 posted on 09/06/2002 10:18:01 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: ksen
I haven't read it either, but not because I think it is actually evil... I just haven't been drawn to it. Jen can answer the points raised, probably!
24,189 posted on 09/06/2002 10:18:21 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: g'nad
...seems two crows stumbled across the woodpecker and were fighting over it as they ate it...

That's nice...loverly imagery. Thank you SO much for SHARING!

NOT!!

24,190 posted on 09/06/2002 10:19:42 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Whistle Note: OT, this would be a GREAT time to pick up Joannie Madden's CD ("A Whistle on the Wind")...it's a good 'un!

I've heard cuts from it on Spinner.com. I'll look into it as soon as I get on a computer with a soundcard.

24,191 posted on 09/06/2002 10:20:14 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: RosieCotton
I guess I would like to start with instrumental, fast, and one each of traditional and modern. Any suggestions?
24,192 posted on 09/06/2002 10:22:43 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: RosieCotton
How cool! A sale at Green Linnet!! I'll have to check that out, but I'm quickly running out of room in my 200 CD disc changer! Aarrghh!
24,193 posted on 09/06/2002 10:25:13 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
Listen to Lúnasa - they're not quite traditional (more of a bass groove), but very cool. Nice driving tunes.

And if you like solo Irish fiddle, Kevin Burke's "In Concert" CD is wonderful!

24,194 posted on 09/06/2002 10:29:29 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: SuziQ
I'll have to check that out, but I'm quickly running out of room in my 200 CD disc changer! Aarrghh!

Someday I need to get me one o' those! Though my usual m-o is to play one CD over and over and over and over until I'm completely sick of it, and then move on to another...so I'm not sure if I'd get full use out of a changer!

24,195 posted on 09/06/2002 10:32:18 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Sam Cree
making a kill...the feelings are hard to describe.

My Daddy loved to hunt. His favorite was 'primitive weapon season'; he poured his own shot for his muzzle loader and everything. His favorite was bow hunting, though. Must have been his Cherokee heritage coming through. He'd set up a target in the backyard and practice. Even when I was in college taking archery classes, I couldn't pull that string back on his bow!

My brothers got together one Christmas and gave Daddy what he called a 'pop gun', then took him out hunting a little while later. It was the first and only time he ever killed a deer. My oldest brother said he came out of the woods with the biggest smile on his face just dancing a jig when he realized he'd gotten the deer.

But he still loved primitive weapons because he said they gave the deer a sporting chance!

24,196 posted on 09/06/2002 10:32:51 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
Mine!
24,197 posted on 09/06/2002 10:33:53 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: SuziQ
Mine!
24,198 posted on 09/06/2002 10:33:53 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Mine!
24,199 posted on 09/06/2002 10:34:17 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
MIne?
24,200 posted on 09/06/2002 10:34:36 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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