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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: Corin Stormhands
I was merely carrying on a conversation.

"Sin is still sin, no matter how you try to dress it up..."

24,021 posted on 09/05/2002 1:44:43 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
That it would be impossible. That creature is a Rohanian(?), Rohanese(?), Rohirrim(?), native of Rohan. One of the lower men.

But I do know of a Hobbit from Stoor who had a run-in with my Precio.......er, the Ring and bad things happened to him.
24,022 posted on 09/05/2002 1:45:41 PM PDT by ksen
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To: Corin Stormhands; RosieCotton; Overtaxed; rightwingreligiousfanatic
ksen's the winner

I just thought this bore repeating in case anyone missed it. ;^)

24,023 posted on 09/05/2002 1:47:49 PM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
But I do know of a Hobbit from Stoor who had a run-in with my Precio.......er, the Ring and bad things happened to him.

True. But Bilbo did OK...I've got a few years left. ;-) Hobbits are very resilient creatures.

To amend my previous statement, Isildur didn't exactly have a swell life after his dealings with the precious.

24,024 posted on 09/05/2002 1:49:56 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: All
OK folks, break it up. Nothing more to see here. Go back to your normal business. ksen won sneaky and round. Move along now....
24,025 posted on 09/05/2002 1:51:13 PM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: RosieCotton

24,026 posted on 09/05/2002 1:51:42 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: ksen
Did you say you thought you would bore us again?
24,027 posted on 09/05/2002 1:52:22 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Yeah, yeah, I know...
24,028 posted on 09/05/2002 1:52:36 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic; ksen; RosieCotton
OK folks, break it up. Nothing more to see here.

You just don't know us very well do you rwrf?

24,029 posted on 09/05/2002 1:53:28 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: RosieCotton
Just don't call me "niggardly."
24,030 posted on 09/05/2002 1:54:27 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: All
Okay folks, 970 posts to go for the next triple precious...

I gotta run for now. See y'all later tonite.

24,031 posted on 09/05/2002 1:55:29 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Just don't call me "niggardly."

LOL...I missed that thread! Did you see that one? It was on breaking news the other day...was it amusing?

24,032 posted on 09/05/2002 1:56:35 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Corin Stormhands
I know you are allNUTS!.

What more do I need to know?

24,033 posted on 09/05/2002 1:56:54 PM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: RosieCotton
I wouldn't call that thread "amusing." It's really a rather sad commentary on the stupidity of political correctness.
24,034 posted on 09/05/2002 1:58:34 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Later...
24,035 posted on 09/05/2002 1:58:59 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands; All
I'm heading out, too. Talk to you guys later!
24,036 posted on 09/05/2002 2:00:55 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Corin Stormhands
Did you say you thought you would bore us again?

Yeh, is it working?

Did I ever tell about my uncle who was involved the defense of Minas Tirith back when..........

24,037 posted on 09/05/2002 2:08:26 PM PDT by ksen
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To: Corin Stormhands
Corin, Thomas Eakins also painted some pictures that would be appropriate for the men's club. I would consider posting them, except that I don't want to get me or HOTD in trouble with the admin. mod. Though I suppose if it's being exhibited at the Met, it can be posted on FR. Do you think?

I'm going to check th posting rules :-)

24,038 posted on 09/05/2002 2:11:47 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree; Corin Stormhands; RosieCotton; ksen; rightwingreligiousfanatic
Hellooooo everyone! I'm back and the weeds are pulled!

Heyyyy.....where did everybody go?

Oh well. The Beaver is on.

24,039 posted on 09/05/2002 3:06:00 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Sam Cree
Gee, Sam, I dunno. I mean, beer spilled on the carpet is one thing...
24,040 posted on 09/05/2002 3:56:02 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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