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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Corin Stormhands
We could have snowball fights, elves against dwarves. If you don't show up, the dwarves will get wiped out.
22,081 posted on 08/29/2002 10:43:33 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Corin Stormhands
often 30 degrees below zero

We get that here (VT), too - first week of January it is pretty much ALWAYS well below zero, at least at night. I think they may beat us with windchill, though, since we have more hills and trees.

22,082 posted on 08/29/2002 10:45:22 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
If you don't show up, the dwarves will get wiped out.

By a bunch of flitty elves? I don't think so...

22,083 posted on 08/29/2002 10:45:35 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: RosieCotton
We get that here (VT), too...

Okay, Corin votes against Minnesota AND Vermont for Entmoot...

22,084 posted on 08/29/2002 10:46:27 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Florida in the summer:

Florida in the winter:


22,085 posted on 08/29/2002 10:48:27 AM PDT by ksen
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla; RosieCotton
y'all are making me homesick... one of my favorite memories of growing up was walking my paper route on winter nights, staring up at the stars. Nothing like cold, clear weather for star gazing...
22,086 posted on 08/29/2002 10:49:38 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: ksen
Corin casts two votes for Florida (one for each season).

I may be needing a job soon. Got any in Florida?

22,087 posted on 08/29/2002 10:50:04 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands; All
A frozen lake...a small cabin...

Cabins are for ice-fishing wussies! What could be more bracing than spending hours sitting on a box in the middle of a huge lake, with the temperature below zero, and winds approaching gale force! Wind-chills approaching 50 below in the daytime. Really gets the blood circulating.

Even better is attending a traditional Finnish sauna. Just think about it. All of us hobbits in our birthday suits, beating each other with birch branches, in a super-heated cabin about 120 degrees. Then, when you can't take the heat anymore, you run outside onto that lake, and jump through a hole chopped in the ice for a refreshing dip!

22,088 posted on 08/29/2002 10:51:20 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla; ksen; g'nad; HairOfTheDog
All of us hobbits in our birthday suits...

I'm gonna have a lot of trouble convincing the Mrs. that I'm at Promise Keepers...

22,089 posted on 08/29/2002 10:52:40 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
y'all are making me homesick... one of my favorite memories of growing up was walking my paper route on winter nights, staring up at the stars. Nothing like cold, clear weather for star gazing...

Ohhh...yes, that's a definite benefit! And no big cities here to steal anything from the sky...

One of the most beautiful sights in the world is a winter night with a full moon and lots of stars - the snow reflects back the light of the moon and the ice on the trees looks silvery and crystal. How can you hate THAT?

22,090 posted on 08/29/2002 10:53:38 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
It's enough to make you forget to format!
22,091 posted on 08/29/2002 10:54:20 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Even better is attending a traditional Finnish sauna. Just think about it. All of us hobbits in our birthday suits, beating each other with birch branches, in a super-heated cabin about 120 degrees. Then, when you can't take the heat anymore, you run outside onto that lake, and jump through a hole chopped in the ice for a refreshing dip!

I don't think I'll be beeping next time through Ocala........

22,092 posted on 08/29/2002 10:54:50 AM PDT by ksen
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To: RosieCotton
One of the most beautiful sights in the world is a winter night with a full moon and lots of stars - the snow reflects back the light of the moon and the ice on the trees looks silvery and crystal. How can you hate THAT?

Send me pictures...it's just not my style...

22,093 posted on 08/29/2002 10:55:14 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: ksen; Lucius Cornelius Sulla
I don't think I'll be beeping next time through Ocala........

ROFL!

22,094 posted on 08/29/2002 10:55:59 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: RosieCotton
How can you hate THAT?

Say, any traditional Finnish saunas in Vermont? Immigrating Finns usually moved as far to the north as they could get. It is only the later generations that moved south.

22,095 posted on 08/29/2002 10:56:15 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: RosieCotton
And the Northern Lights too (Aurora Borealis). Do you get that in Vermont?
22,096 posted on 08/29/2002 10:56:24 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: Corin Stormhands
I'm gonna have a lot of trouble convincing the Mrs. that I'm at Promise Keepers...

What if we promise to keep our clothes on?

22,097 posted on 08/29/2002 10:56:39 AM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
sneak!
22,098 posted on 08/29/2002 10:57:06 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: ksen
sneak!
22,099 posted on 08/29/2002 10:57:11 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: ksen
sneak!
22,100 posted on 08/29/2002 10:57:12 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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