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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: Overtaxed
Good plan!

I am gonna go weed-wack for a bit - get some exercise! - See y'all later!
19,901 posted on 08/19/2002 4:52:21 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed
I didn't know you were sneaking on me! Arg!
19,902 posted on 08/19/2002 4:53:12 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Nyah, nyah!
19,903 posted on 08/19/2002 5:00:55 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
I'm out of here. Later all!!!
19,904 posted on 08/19/2002 5:10:53 PM PDT by htur_75
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To: Overtaxed
96 post sneak?....g'nite...
19,905 posted on 08/19/2002 6:48:28 PM PDT by g'nad
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To: g'nad; Overtaxed; HairOfTheDog; htur_75; All
Boy, it gets quiet here at night...

No Hobbits, Elves, Dwarves, Men of Gonder, or Smeagols around to make a run for the quadruple-naught Precious...?

Hmmmmmmm.....
19,906 posted on 08/19/2002 7:08:49 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog; Overtaxed
I got it downloaded but it says "Error finding Codec" so I can hear it but can't view it. Perhaps I need that codec after all? I never tried the bootleg you sent me...already had sent it to LCS when I got the new machine.

Took right at 4 hours! Not too bad! I turned off everything...mail, screensaver...even my countdown thingy!

Now, what do I download to view this thing??
19,907 posted on 08/19/2002 7:23:27 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog
Nice cap of Merry's gash...thank you my friend!

Now take a look at the TTT trailer where they deleted that gash from his head. His eyebrow isn't even shaped the same...they did a terrible job editing it out. Can you get me a cap of that?
19,908 posted on 08/19/2002 7:25:48 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog
And email me copies of both? You said York wouldn't allow the full size and I would like the full size to send to that person at TORN that basically told me I didn't know what I was talking about. If only I could slam it really hard down their desk...
19,909 posted on 08/19/2002 7:29:32 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Download the free version on the left hand side... it is really small... should take minutes. Then it'll play.

DivX: Download DivX Video

19,910 posted on 08/19/2002 7:30:32 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Ok! Thanks sis!
19,911 posted on 08/19/2002 7:31:54 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Will do: (email)


19,912 posted on 08/19/2002 7:33:14 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Thank you so much.

I remember drinking a beer once and then having to pay for three because a couple of people said I had had three and they said the reason I didn't remember was because I was drunk! I wasn't! I'm sure one of the guys didn't have enough money to pay so that was his plan. He was that type.

I hate it when people don't believe me. You couldn't see it but you always gave me the benefit of the doubt!
19,913 posted on 08/19/2002 7:45:53 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog
I sent my email to that Xoanon person that blew me off about it to you as well, as a BCC.
19,914 posted on 08/19/2002 8:05:22 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
hehehehe - you said "Ha!"
19,915 posted on 08/19/2002 8:07:39 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I was trying real hard not to just outright say "I told ya so, you stupid cow!
19,916 posted on 08/19/2002 8:10:37 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Part of me is dispointed that you didn't say that!
19,917 posted on 08/19/2002 8:11:53 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Lord, that's a good download, though! I got the codec to work and you can even hear one of the young hobbits breathing during that particular eyebrow gash scene!

I wonder if that picture of Arwen is a scene from the ROTK, when she lies down to die? I don't know. Strange scene, with her lying down. Any thoughts?
19,918 posted on 08/19/2002 8:13:21 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
It is a strange scene, that has actually been around awhile. I remember it a long time ago.

Maybe she is just taking a nap... maybe she is having some kind of vision in a dream that Aragorn needs her to come with the sword. I dunno!
19,919 posted on 08/19/2002 8:17:30 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Starting to get on my nerves! LOL Not really, but the suspense is killing me over just that scene!

I'm going to copy that onto a disk and show it to my friend...you know the one that is really rigid and goes to church every time the door is open? Well, her husband bought the DVD and she watched it and guess what? SHE LOVED IT!

I'm so glad.
19,920 posted on 08/19/2002 8:22:23 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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