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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Corin Stormhands
and he won't poop with anyone else but me

You need to get out more bro... I had my Rott trained to dump on command...we had a special code word , Scheist, (real imaginative, I know...remind me to tell yuh about the German tourists sometime)and he would walk in the brush or into the woods (I trained him not to take a dump out in the open) and take care of business...he was a great dog...I could walk him off a lead at 6 months and he wouldn't break heel...

19,521 posted on 08/16/2002 9:00:55 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: HairOfTheDog
You are the only one that can recognize all the things that need to be done before the trip. The rest don't see it.

Yep. That's true. But even when I say "you need to do this before we go," it doesn't happen.

That whole episode with Corin, Jrs. ear surgery is a prime example. I nagged the Mrs. every day for two weeks to take care of that before she finally did. And we needed to know to reschedule. I nagged her for two weeks to find out if her sister was going to visit us at the beach. Finally, I had to find out...

Part of the problem is my nature. I HATE being surprised by anything. So when there's a question about something, I want to know the answer right away. I can handle it if the answer is unavailable, but if it's readily known, I want to know it.

Plays into holidays and birthdays too. Don't surprise me with anything. In a lot of ways because I need/want to know how much money is being spent. But I can also say "these are the things I want for birthday/father's day/Christmas." And I'm pretty specific because I know they're going to spend money, so it should be money spent for things I need/want. I'm not sure that I've EVER gotten anything on my list.

The Mrs., on the other hand, LOVES surprises, and wants to make a big deal out of holidays/birthdays. I think it's a wimmin thing...Drives me nuts.

19,522 posted on 08/16/2002 9:08:00 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: g'nad
I pay alot of attention to weather, as I'm sure you do also, though alot of the science behind it is beyond me.

I think, though, that El Nino is a real phenomenon with real effects. I just think that even in the recent past we did not know that it was the cause of those effects.

Read somewhere (FR maybe) that it's now being theorized that global warming causes the effects of El Nino to be even more severe than usual. Though there's probably not much we can do about global warming since it more than likely is not caused by us.

19,523 posted on 08/16/2002 9:08:13 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: g'nad
You need to get out more bro...

But here's the difference...ZAT EES NUT MY DOG!!!!!

I love the dog. I really do. But I've threatened several times to get rid of him if they don't take care of him. We got him for my older son since we thought a boy, especially an only child, needed a dog. Then the little one came along.

But the 13-year-old has allergies (probably to the cat and the dog) and the little one has asthma. And this dog sheds like crazy.

Anytime I threaten to find him a new home I always get "I'll walk him, I'll brush him, I'll feed him, I'll sweep up the dog hair..."

But guess who "I'll" turns out to be...

19,524 posted on 08/16/2002 9:14:22 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Sam Cree; g'nad
Though there's probably not much we can do about global warming since it more than likely is not caused by us.

Algore caused global warming...

19,525 posted on 08/16/2002 9:16:44 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands; Overtaxed
"Sam, last I looked on the Hurricane Watch site there was nothing brewing in the Atlantic (as of yesterday afternoon).

Yeah, I see now that a tropical wave is coming ashore, that's where all the wind and rain are coming from. I love South Florida in the summer, hot and sultry with beautiful skies, good beer drinking weather, good yellowtail fishing, good weather for crossing the Gulf Stream. Just wish there weren't hurricanes.

I noticed that most dog food is full of starch: corn meal or something like that. Dogs are carnivores so eating that stuff makes them get overweight, I think, just like with people ('course dogs are people too :-) Sometimes I think Vets are more expensive than MD's.

19,526 posted on 08/16/2002 9:18:56 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Corin Stormhands
Mrs. Stormhands and I used to think we could bring rain to the desert.

You ought to charge money for that, you could get paid for going on vacation to drought-stricken areas.

19,527 posted on 08/16/2002 9:20:01 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Corin Stormhands
Hehehe - Poor Corin.

I think you just need to start feeling thankful that you have this talent for seeing things that need done that your family lacks. See it as a source of pride. And stop nagging about everything, just choose the one most important thing. It doesn't matter if the sister shows up! Let the dishes go! - She will see them when she gets back and perhaps wish she had done them first! Get the van loaded!

And whatever you do, STOP killing their fun surprises at Christmas. Thats a drag! You have to let them think about fun things and stop with the "don't want them spending money on things I don't need" Bah humbug! Give them the money they can afford to spend and let them go be creative. It isn't about need!

19,528 posted on 08/16/2002 9:21:30 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
You need to learn something about how to be passive aggressive!
19,529 posted on 08/16/2002 9:22:54 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
Have a good time on your trip and tell your family to be glad you aren't as big a nag as me! Jeepers.
19,530 posted on 08/16/2002 9:25:30 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
Mrs. Stormhands and I used to think we could bring rain to the desert

You need an extended vacation, right?

19,531 posted on 08/16/2002 9:27:58 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Sam Cree; HairOfTheDog; g'nad
I noticed that most dog food is full of starch: corn meal or something like that. Dogs are carnivores so eating that stuff makes them get overweight, I think, just like with people ('course dogs are people too :-) Sometimes I think Vets are more expensive than MD's.

And he's real fond of table scraps too. My oldest never eats the crust on anything. Dog's just gonna have to learn.

We lost a very favored cat a couple of years ago. We got him from the animal shelter and he was probably sick from the beginning. He was a wonderful cat (like a brother to the kid). But his liver was enlarged and there were other problems. When he started getting really sick we spent close to $400 dollars and it was right before Christmas. I finally had to say, "okay doc, I can spend another $50 on this cat." I decided I was going to go ahead with the more expensive tests, but he died before we got back to the vet.

After Christmas, we decided to go ahead with another cat (wife wasn't ready for the dog thing yet). Of course none of the shelters had kittens, so we found an adult stray (she wasn't quite a year old). She looked healthy, but had an injury to her paw. So we spent another $300 on the "free" cat...

I guess all in all, I have no business complaining about losing the 12 cent fishes...

19,532 posted on 08/16/2002 9:28:11 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: 2Jedismom
You found it! Well done...sounds like the English word may come from the Gaelic in the first place, no? They're pretty close, though for all I know it's pronouced WAY different.

I'm going to try to remember it...and use it at some point.
19,533 posted on 08/16/2002 9:28:33 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
You ought to charge money for that, you could get paid for going on vacation to drought-stricken areas.

Unfortunately, it apparently doesn't work anymore...

19,534 posted on 08/16/2002 9:29:11 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog; All
I'm outta here! Got a few meetings this afternoon, then a run, then red meat off the bone and homebrew...I'll try and stop by tonight if Mrs. g'nad doesn't take away my ketboard...
19,535 posted on 08/16/2002 9:29:11 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: Corin Stormhands
Shameless. Absolutely shameless. (and nicely done I might add...)

Thanks! Had to beat you once before you headed out on vacation...

Though I still think it's more fun when you can sneak in one or two posts instead of five. Gives you a sense of accomplishment...

19,536 posted on 08/16/2002 9:32:52 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: g'nad
Have a good afternoon, and if we don't see you back here, have a good weekend!
19,537 posted on 08/16/2002 9:33:29 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Corin Stormhands
it apparently doesn't work anymore

Darn, that's how all of my money-making schemes seem to pan out...

19,538 posted on 08/16/2002 9:34:35 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Corin Stormhands
"Unfortunately, it apparently doesn't work anymore..."

Could you try going on vacation in Richmond?

19,539 posted on 08/16/2002 9:35:07 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: HairOfTheDog
I think you just need to start feeling thankful that you have this talent for seeing things that need done that your family lacks. See it as a source of pride. And stop nagging about everything, just choose the one most important thing.

I know, I know, I'm just being a grouch this morning.

And whatever you do, STOP killing their fun surprises at Christmas.

See, here's the problem I have with that. I could handle surprises. But you'd think after 16 years they'd have a better handle on the things I'd like. It took my Mom 30 years to stop buying me clothes and say "here pick out what you want." But it just kinda sucks that your wife will go out and buy something she thinks is perfect and my first thought when I open it is "you really thought I'd like that?"

I know her. I know she works very hard at it. So I'm always "appreciative." But I can't help feeling that she really doesn't know me sometimes.

I'm griping a lot this a.m. Mainly because I have this to do list and can't get at it until she gets back. Then I'll be okay.

And it's better than where we were last year. My Mom went with us to the beach to watch the little one. That was okay for the most part. But by the end of the week the Mrs. and I were closer than we'd ever been to getting a divorce. My Mom knew that. After she visited at Christmas last year, she called back and talked to my son about her visit, he said to her "Well, it wasn't as bad as the beach..."

So, I'll liten up and we'll have lots of fun...as soon as we get out of here!

19,540 posted on 08/16/2002 9:36:28 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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