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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: All; Overtaxed
Good morning everyone. I'm trying to decide what whistle I want to get next. What do you think of this one? It's called a laser etched Susato Kildare. The Soprano D runs about $35, so I might have to just settle for the plain one, also pictured. I want the Sop. D in the set...actually I want the whole set. Sigh. The plain one only runs about $22.

The one I want:

The Soprano D in this set is what I'll very likely end up with instead. It's the same whistle...just black and not etched.

You'll have to excuse me...I have a disease called WHOA.

19,461 posted on 08/16/2002 7:06:05 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
LOL! When you figure out which one sounds the best let me know.
19,462 posted on 08/16/2002 7:11:34 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
So many whistles, so little money! LOL

I actually won that Feadóg on eBay the other day. Got it for $6.99 including shipping from Ireland! I don't know what I'm going to do with it. Maybe give it to my nieghbor...but I keep changing my mind.
19,463 posted on 08/16/2002 7:18:10 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
You'll have to excuse me...I have a disease called WHOA

Ha! I've heard of similar diseases (like GAS for Guitar or Gear Acquisition Syndrome), but that's a new one.

That etched one is really pretty. I know it doesn't contribute to the SOUND, but it makes it kind of...I don't know...elvish?

BTW, I asked my brother what brand he likes, and he said Sweetone, which are actually rather INexpensive whistles. He had a more expensive one (a Feadóg[?] I picked up for him in Europe), but prefers this one.

19,464 posted on 08/16/2002 7:22:18 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
You can get reasonably priced Feadógs here. The shipping is always $2.50 from Ireland.

Did you know that the word "Feadóg" is just "whistle" in Gaelic? LOL

19,465 posted on 08/16/2002 7:32:13 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: RosieCotton
PS: I once again admit to envying you tin whistlers a bit...having to decide between an "expensive" whistle that costs $35 and a plain one that costs $22...try finding a fiddle for that! Not to mention bows...something a lot of people don't realize is that bows can cost as much or more than the violin.

Then again, we can use one instrument for all keys, so I guess it's not all bad...
19,466 posted on 08/16/2002 7:33:16 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Overtaxed; Lucius Cornelius Sulla; g'nad; Bear_in_RoseBear; HairOfTheDog; Rocko; Sam Cree
Morning all!

Later than usual this morning since I'm NOT WORKING!!!

Let's see, can I catch up?

I don't think the forum for flame wars will be "successful." I mean, if you can't fight it out on the relevant thread, what's the point. Plus, if people are breaking the rules and engaging in flame wars, what's gonna make them move to the "flame room?" Unless the AMs are gonna do that and that's just more big government...

No rain here. It's overcast, and a little breezy, that's all.

Sam, last I looked on the Hurricane Watch site there was nothing brewing in the Atlantic (as of yesterday afternoon).

And finally, took the dog to the vet this morning to get caught up on his shots before we drop him off at the doggie spa tomorrow. Seems to be a theme in our family. He's overweight and has an ear infection. I swear I'm gonna get that dog a Social Security number and put him on our insurance. Vet gave him special diet food and told us how much he gets (he's not gonna like it). And he needs more excercise, which of course will be up to me since the 13-year-old just won't do it. Have to take him back next week for the treatement for the ears. Would've started today, but it was an extra $65.00 plus we'd have to depend on the kennel staff to give it to him every day. Vet was okay with us coming back in to do it next week. Sheesh, thought I was going for $25 worth of shots, today's total: $87.50.

Have lots to do, but wife and older son are out running errands and the little one is whiney. He's having a snack, but when he gets out of his high chair he'll want me to hold him. Since what I need to do is mostly outside, it'll have to wait until Mom gets back.

19,467 posted on 08/16/2002 7:34:38 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: 2Jedismom
You'll have to excuse me...I have a disease called WHOA.

I have "Furniture Disease..." my chest has dropped down into my drawers....

eyuck, eyuck, eyuck, thank you folks we're here every nite...

19,468 posted on 08/16/2002 7:37:55 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
You're a good daddy. Just remember...you won't be able to hold him when he's 18 years old! Well, you might be able to, but it won't be near as comfortable!
19,469 posted on 08/16/2002 7:39:10 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
I think I'd heard that at one point, but I'd forgotten. Can you imagine starting a company here in the states called just "Guitar", or something like that?! Funny!

I think Bill got his from here: http://www.elderly.com/new_instruments/170N.htm

You know, I bought a Feadóg for myself, too, but never learned to play it. Maybe I should dig it out one of these days.
19,470 posted on 08/16/2002 7:39:33 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: 2Jedismom
There for a minute I thought you were talking about the dog. He's 86 lbs. and he likes to sit on my lap too...
19,471 posted on 08/16/2002 7:41:08 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Good Morning ALL!

I sortof expect that at the vets... I never get out for less than $100. If the vet didn't mind waiting I am guessing it was a yeast infection. I know all about them with my labrador.
19,472 posted on 08/16/2002 7:42:19 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
There for a minute I thought you were talking about the dog. He's 86 lbs. and he likes to sit on my lap too...

They always do, don't they...no matter the size! The big black lab I had growing up would try to squeeze as much of herself into my lap as she could. She also would try to sleep in laundry baskets if she found one empty and would get into some pretty odd positions trying to fit in!

19,473 posted on 08/16/2002 7:43:54 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Rosie, you should!!! It's a lot of fun. Check out Chiff and Fipple for guidance.

Here's some Copeland whistles. You have to get on his waiting list, each whistle is made to order and the sterling soprano D costs $375.


19,474 posted on 08/16/2002 7:44:05 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Corin Stormhands
What kind of dog is he?
19,475 posted on 08/16/2002 7:44:14 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: 2Jedismom
Those are beautiful! And I suppose if you wanted four or five different keys / sizes, it COULD add up with those.

These look like mine;

I guess maybe this weekend I'll try to find it. However, I'm SO hooked on fiddle right now, I'm not sure I could get into anything else. It is WAY addicting! I'll bookmark that site just in case, though...

19,476 posted on 08/16/2002 7:47:50 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Corin Stormhands
I have "Furniture Disease..."

That was so bad, it made my eyes water...

;-)

19,477 posted on 08/16/2002 7:48:02 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog
If the vet didn't mind waiting I am guessing it was a yeast infection. I know all about them with my labrador.

Bingo! He was certain from just looking at it. I'm just glad he was okay with waiting until next week. Our dog isn't purebred but he's mostly black lab with a little husky.

This vet is really great. When "Sam" (Sorry Sam!) was still a puppy he got puppy growing pains (there's a technical term and I'm drawing a blank). Of course it hit on a Saturday night so we took him to a 24 hour animal hospital. They wanted to do about 200 worth of test. We finally got it out of them that really all you could do is give him something for the pain and let them get through it. Monday, we called the vet who said, "give him half a baby aspirin once a day." In a couple of days it was all over with and he was fine.

19,478 posted on 08/16/2002 7:48:30 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: RosieCotton
Yes! Those are Feadógs just like mine!
19,479 posted on 08/16/2002 7:49:20 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: RosieCotton
What kind of dog is he?

He's a black lab. Not purebred, but he's got all the lab looks. The husky shows up in his curved tail.

19,480 posted on 08/16/2002 7:49:29 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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