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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Overtaxed
All right! I have excuses for both of my main vices - chocolate AND coffee! My day is now COMPLETE...
18,421 posted on 08/13/2002 8:27:48 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Overtaxed
Coffee Antioxidants

You are just a fountain of information this morning! I used to write for Suite101.com until they stopped paying and made it on an ad revenue basis.

18,422 posted on 08/13/2002 8:29:34 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog
I would go see that if they came near!

So would I, but this week I've been trying to win Elton John tickets...

18,423 posted on 08/13/2002 8:30:11 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog
Coffee makes me cheerful and perky ... that is a health benefit!

I work with at least a few people for whom the lack of coffee is a health hazard...for the rest of us! I'm pretty much a morning person no matter what, but some people you just don't even approach until they've had that first cup.

18,424 posted on 08/13/2002 8:30:39 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Corin Stormhands
That would be cool... Good luck!
18,425 posted on 08/13/2002 8:38:46 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: RosieCotton
I am a morning person too... not crabby in the morning! - But need coffee to appreciate all my senses!

Before coffee, my eyes keep going into screen-saver...
18,426 posted on 08/13/2002 8:41:04 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
So would I, but this week I've been trying to win Elton John tickets...

You can win a pair of tickets for the floor here for only $405.00 each.

18,427 posted on 08/13/2002 8:44:00 AM PDT by ksen
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To: Corin Stormhands; Overtaxed; RosieCotton; HairOfTheDog; Sam Cree
Hey Beer has anti....whatever, too...at least...I think I read that somewhere...either way, beer is natures perfect food...
18,428 posted on 08/13/2002 8:46:05 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: ksen
You can win a pair of tickets for the floor here for only $405.00 each.

Shouldn't it be rather obvious to you that's why we're trying to win the tickets?

The most we've ever paid for tickets to anything was $150 each for tickets to the George Bush Inaugural Ball in 1989.

18,429 posted on 08/13/2002 8:48:22 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: g'nad
You know... it is funny.... All this talk of antioxidants, like they are the latest greatest thing, and I have NEVER been curious enough to find out what antioxidants do and why I want them.
18,430 posted on 08/13/2002 8:49:35 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; g'nad; Overtaxed; RosieCotton; Sam Cree
...why I want them...

Silly hobbit! You want them because they're found in chocolate, coffee and beer...

18,431 posted on 08/13/2002 8:51:03 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Wow.... that does sound like a show if folk are scalping tickets at that price!
18,432 posted on 08/13/2002 8:52:02 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
Thank you for filling in that last gap for me Corin. I get it now!
18,433 posted on 08/13/2002 8:52:50 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
You are just a fountain of information this morning!

I used to borrow a co-worker's lab nerd magazines at my last gig. Just don't ask how they used to decaffeinate coffee....you don't want to know!

18,434 posted on 08/13/2002 8:57:55 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Say OT! - How did they use to decaffeinate coffee?
18,435 posted on 08/13/2002 9:00:10 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: ksen
You can win a pair of tickets for the floor here for only $405.00 each.

Yikes! Makes me glad I mostly like rather obscure musicians! The most I've ever spent for a concert was $35 for a solo concert by Anthony Kearns (of the Irish Tenors)!

18,436 posted on 08/13/2002 9:03:47 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: HairOfTheDog; ksen
Wow.... that does sound like a show if folk are scalping tickets at that price!

Yeah, I don't know how sales are going, but the listed price only goes up to $59.95...(we're not paying that either)

18,437 posted on 08/13/2002 9:12:06 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Sam Cree
Well, that's a nice thing to say! I've always liked to look at her pictures. Typical "40s" pictures...

I wish I had a chance to meet her.
18,438 posted on 08/13/2002 9:12:39 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Overtaxed
Just don't ask how they used to decaffeinate coffee....you don't want to know!

Actually I don't need to know! Or do I?

18,439 posted on 08/13/2002 9:16:11 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: RosieCotton
The most I've ever spent for a concert was $35 for a solo concert by Anthony Kearns (of the Irish Tenors)!

We don't hit a lot of the concerts either. Off the top of my head I can't think of anyone we'd have to see if they came to town. A few years back I took the Mrs. to hear Itzak Perlman for Mother's Day. I was appalled that the theater wasn't packed.

18,440 posted on 08/13/2002 9:18:33 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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