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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: Overtaxed
So I should add Hair?

Yeah.

18,261 posted on 08/12/2002 10:21:51 AM PDT by ksen
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To: Corin Stormhands
How's this?

ElfBash Ping List

ksen;Corin Stormhands;g'nad;Alkhin;Overtaxed;HairOfTheDog

18,262 posted on 08/12/2002 10:23:51 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: 2Jedismom
RE# 18253

Boy, you ARE having a mild winter.

Should read: Boy, you ARE having a mild winter summer.

18,263 posted on 08/12/2002 10:23:53 AM PDT by ksen
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To: Overtaxed
How's this?

That looks good.

18,264 posted on 08/12/2002 10:25:10 AM PDT by ksen
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To: Overtaxed
The only elf I will bash is the movie version of Haldir. He really annoys me.

I don't think he's a real elf anyway. He has a touch of five o'clock shadow...no real elf would have that.

Poseur.

18,265 posted on 08/12/2002 10:26:40 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: ksen
ARAGORN (singing): Pore Bo is daid, pore Boromir is daid;
All gather 'round his coffin now and cry.
He had a heart of gold and he wasn't very old,
Oh, why did such a fella have to die.

Pore Bo is daid, pore Boromir is daid;
He's lookin' oh, so peaceful and serene (BOROMIR: and serene).
He's all laid out to rest with his hands across his chest;
His fingernails have never been so clean.

18,266 posted on 08/12/2002 10:27:41 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Overtaxed
I like it. I really like it!
18,267 posted on 08/12/2002 10:28:27 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
LOL! Good parody.
18,268 posted on 08/12/2002 10:29:23 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: HairOfTheDog
I've been searching, but haven't found anything useful yet. Surely this has been done, and surely anyone who's done it would want it on the net! The main problem we're going to have to work out is the roof structure. You can drain around exterior walls and make it look like a hole, but the roof is a different matter. Probably less than 100 sq/ft.
18,269 posted on 08/12/2002 10:30:19 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: RosieCotton
I thought Elrond was a bit more uppitty than he should have been. People who do the blame game really annoy me. Why not bash Elrond? He's just as bad as Isildur!
18,270 posted on 08/12/2002 10:31:38 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Take me OFF that list now!
18,271 posted on 08/12/2002 10:31:39 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed
Why not bash Elrond? He's just as bad as Isildur!

Really! Was Elrond too weak to take the ring from Isildur...or heck, even to push Isildur over the edge? He makes all the fuss about knowing how bad it was. But he didn't do anything about it now...did he?

18,272 posted on 08/12/2002 10:40:12 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog

ElfBash

ksen;Corin Stormhands;g'nad;Alkhin;Overtaxed
18,273 posted on 08/12/2002 10:42:10 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Corin Stormhands
Now I have to find anti-Elf threads to ping to!
18,274 posted on 08/12/2002 10:43:04 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Corin Stormhands
But he[Elrond] didn't do anything about it now...did he?

Sure he did, he sent innocent little Frodo and his friends off to do the job he wasn't able to do when he had the chance.

18,275 posted on 08/12/2002 10:46:19 AM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
But he[Elrond] didn't do anything about it now...did he? Sure he did, he sent innocent little Frodo and his friends off to do the job he wasn't able to do when he had the chance.

....after he sent a girl to keep the Ring away from 9 Ringwraiths...

18,276 posted on 08/12/2002 10:56:37 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: ksen; Overtaxed
Sure he did, he sent innocent little Frodo and his friends off to do the job he wasn't able to do when he had the chance.

Kinda like his own little "Wag the Dog" scenario to draw attention away from his own mistakes/weakness...

18,277 posted on 08/12/2002 11:01:09 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands; ksen
Maybe Elrond's trying to get rid of Arwen...
18,278 posted on 08/12/2002 11:15:25 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed; ksen
Maybe Elrond's trying to get rid of Arwen...

Really. I mean, how old is she anyway? I guess he figures if he can't get her married off there's no other way to get her out of the house...

18,279 posted on 08/12/2002 11:20:11 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog
Take me OFF that list now!

Don't worry Hair, we won't give your secret away. You're among friends. ;^)

18,280 posted on 08/12/2002 11:20:21 AM PDT by ksen
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