The New Hobbit Hole

[HairOfTheDog]

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole
Concerning Hobbits
The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.

[Sam Cree]

It looks a little like a Jack Russell

[2Jedismom]

Yeah...kind of with that squarish head...it has really long legs.

[2Jedismom]

It's definitely a smooth fox terrier...take a look at these off the web:

http://www.foxterrier.com/Con2001Sx.htm

She is just like these.

[ecurbh]

Looks like I got here just in time to say goodnight to everyone.

I have tomorrow off. Yippee!

[2Jedismom]

'Night ecurb! Enjoy your day off.

[HairOfTheDog]

Hullo! - I am still here for the moment, as long as I last. Good night everyone who is bedward bound! I was out feeding my ponies their dinner, then had to prepare a post on another thread... Back now.

[whew]

[2Jedismom]

I'm going to bed! Been a long day! I took the boys to a park that had only 5-6 other kids playing in it (too many kids makes it too hard for me to keep a close eye on them). They played hard and I practiced my whistle. One little girl actually walked up to me and said "Nice whistle!" I nearly died! Most kids don't know what they are. She lollygagged around till I said "You want to hear me play it?" She just lit up and nodded! I played Arran Boat Song for her and she just stood so quiet. Nice!

[2Jedismom]

BTW, do you know what the song "Danny Boy" is about? Do you know the lyrics?

[HairOfTheDog]

How fun with your whistle!

.... Who is the dog sleeping with tonight?

[HairOfTheDog]

No, I don't know the words. Only the part that goes... Oh Dannyyyy boyyy um... la la lalalala.

I associate it with Irish policeman.

[2Jedismom]

Actually, it's a man singing to his son, who is going off to war. The man is ill and very likely will die before his son returns. The lyrics are heartbreaking...

Danny Boy
Oh Danny boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling
From glen to glen, and down the mountain side
The summer's gone, and all the flowers are dying
'Tis you, 'tis you must go and I must bide.
But come ye back when summer's in the meadow
Or when the valley's hushed and white with snow
'Tis I'll be here in sunshine or in shadow
Oh Danny boy, oh Danny boy, I love you so.

And if you come, when all the flowers are dying
And I am dead, as dead I well may be
You'll come and find the place where I am lying
And kneel and say an "Ave" there for me.

And I shall hear, tho' soft you tread above me
And all my dreams will warm and sweeter be
If you'll not fail to tell me that you love me
I'll simply sleep in peace until you come to me.

I'll simply sleep in peace until you come to me.

[2Jedismom]

Oh, the dog is in with Steve ;-)

I'm going to try to move it in with Joshua here in a sec.

[HairOfTheDog]

The lyrics make sense for a policeman's funeral also [especially an Irish one] which is where I have heard it. Thanks for the words!

[2Jedismom]

Yep... I really love it.

Good night sis!

[HairOfTheDog]

Good night!

[HairOfTheDog]

Looks to me like the stakeholders are voting for a new separate TTT Green Dragon Thread and I am thinking we should start Friday!... Do you want to give us your graphic that you made for it? - Is it posted at a good stable place? - if you aren't ready I can also use the one that is the header for the TTT spoiler thread... It is a nice one too. We can save yours for when your site is back up and we dig a new hobbit hole...

What think you?

[Overtaxed]

Good Morning!

Here's some breakfast for Corin:

[2Jedismom]

Morning OT! Did you see our new dog?

http://images.fotki.com/v6/free/5605/3/34895/66442/BestKatiePicture-vi.jpg?1027481291

[g'nad]

Mmmmm... ham-n-eggses...throw some gravy on that and I'm in!...

Mornin' all...g'nad Threadkiller reporting for duty...

[Overtaxed]

Yes I did! She's a cute little puppy.