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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: 2Jedismom; Overtaxed
Thank you both for the vegetable lesson! I distinctly remember my grandfather saying the word Rutabaga... but other than it being a fun word, I have never seen the funny little roots.
14,461 posted on 07/22/2002 7:12:11 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Oh, you're welcome. I guess everyone is just naturally fascinated with rutabagas. . .

;-)

Someday I'll take some pictures of our garden...it's done in the square foot method. We have 8 beds that are about 5x10 feet big each.
14,462 posted on 07/22/2002 7:22:04 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog; Overtaxed; 2Jedismom
Hey Hair...what kinda range do you think you could get with a rutabaga outta yer potato cannon?

I always figured hobbitses would be fond of rutabaga's turnips, and lettuces...not to mention good cheese and bread...

14,463 posted on 07/22/2002 7:30:57 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: g'nad
Don't forget taters!

In case you hadn't noticed, food is one of my favorite hobbies. :)

14,464 posted on 07/22/2002 7:38:57 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: g'nad
Is a rutabaga denser than a potato? - if it is, perhaps we could get 125 yards out of it!

That reminds me a bit of a gal my brother dated for awhile... a divorced mom of three... she was/had been very low income. She watched as my brother brought down a couple full bags of red potatos for a day of shooting the potato cannon on the beach. Good way to entertain her kids, especially the young boy. (watching of course, they were too little to fire it)

When we started firing off the potatos, she said "But you are wasting food!

Wow, yeah we are... um... want a potato? - What do you say?

14,465 posted on 07/22/2002 7:48:51 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed; HairOfTheDog; g'nad; 2Jedismom
In case you hadn't noticed, food is one of my favorite hobbies. :)

How do you guys always manage to talk so much about food on my diet days?...Or is it just that we always talk about food here...

(14 lbs. since June 22, in spite of the weekend binge...)

And I have a new juice bottle...

14,466 posted on 07/22/2002 7:57:01 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: 2Jedismom
My mom always gardened... she grew peas and beans and lettuce and berries... She would make freezer jam out of our berries.

For a couple years after she died, the garden sat unplanted, though dad always rototilled it, to keep the grass and weeds from becoming hard turf.

Then I started planting garden, but only a few things to feel like I was producing something when I didn't have a job... I planted the whole thing in corn one year.

I think next year, if the inspiration holds, I shall plant some corn for me and carrots for the ponies!
14,467 posted on 07/22/2002 7:57:14 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; g'nad; Overtaxed; Corin Stormhands
Hey, you remember that big rant I had a few days ago about people brushing their kids off on the church so they can do what they want? Well, I did it! LOL Actually, my mom's church is having VBS and she wanted them to come. I needed to bug bomb our enclosed porch and the shop (spider infestation), and so I let them go. I don't want them around when I'm shooting off poison and they were thrilled to get to go. We use the porch as a playroom and the toys are going to be contaminated now so I have to take them out and wash them after the bomb is finished working in 2 hours.

I don't know if they'll need to go back tomorrow...it's all this week. I guess if they have a good time, it's ok with me. But on the other hand, 2 VBS's in one summer seems a bit excessive...what do you think?
14,468 posted on 07/22/2002 7:57:45 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Corin Stormhands
Congratulations!
14,469 posted on 07/22/2002 7:58:51 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
How do you guys always manage to talk so much about food on my diet days?...

But...but...but rutabagas and turnips are good for you!

14,470 posted on 07/22/2002 8:00:15 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: 2Jedismom
But on the other hand, 2 VBS's in one summer seems a bit excessive...what do you think?

I dunno. Bible study (I know it's not in "depth" at VBS) is certainly not a bad thing. When we first moved back to Richmond, we moved at the beginning of the summer. We put Corin, Jr. (who was five at the time) in about three VBS programs just to meet people and keep him from getting bored while we settled in the house.

If you have any critters as pets, make sure they're away from the bug bomb as well...

14,471 posted on 07/22/2002 8:01:41 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: 2Jedismom
In this case it's not so bad since it was done for health reasons.
14,472 posted on 07/22/2002 8:02:03 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: 2Jedismom
what do you think?

If they want to go, I guess it doesn't hurt to get churched up again!

HEHEHEE - the evil smeagol side of me wants to say "Think for yourself you stupid cow!" just once!

Kidding!

14,473 posted on 07/22/2002 8:02:35 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed
Yes, but if they go back tomorrow...what'll be my excuse? LOL
14,474 posted on 07/22/2002 8:03:27 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog
Bad Smeagol! Do we need Admin Mod. again? :)
14,475 posted on 07/22/2002 8:04:06 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
ROFLOL!!
14,476 posted on 07/22/2002 8:04:07 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Yes, but if they go back tomorrow...what'll be my excuse?

Tell them it's a object lesson in finishing what you start.

14,477 posted on 07/22/2002 8:04:47 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: 2Jedismom
tee hee hee!
14,478 posted on 07/22/2002 8:06:37 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands; HairOfTheDog
finishing what you start.

Good one!

Hair, you're never going to let me live down one of my less than finer moments, are you?!! LOL

14,479 posted on 07/22/2002 8:07:08 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
I think it was a fine moment! - You have made me laugh my butt off twice now with one quote!! Not bad at all!
14,480 posted on 07/22/2002 8:11:50 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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