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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: HairOfTheDog
I will try to eat one more burger than she does, all for the good of the party

I'm good for at least four at a sitting...as long as they're rare...Sounds like you got a full day ahead of you...

Havin' a friend over for chow tonight...his wife and kids went to Ukraine for two months on a mission...Matthew was there for the first month, but the he didn't have enuff leave to stay the whole time...We're doin red meat on the grill, portobello mushrooms and squash rubbed with olive oil n garlic and grilled...and I might have to grill some brocolli...mmmmmmm...grillin'....Of course, there will be copious homebrew, scotch, and cigars...

14,121 posted on 07/19/2002 7:14:55 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: Corin Stormhands
My guess is you get to choose what goes on your GOP burger, while on the Demo burger you get told what's best for you...

That's a good answer!

If I recall correctly, the Demo burgers are piled on with grilled onions... and the GOP burgers have more standard burger fare on them... lettuce, tomato. and GOP Goop.

14,122 posted on 07/19/2002 7:15:07 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands; g'nad
Okay I've got fat and greasy with the protein:

And I've got bland:

Or perhaps you prefer your oatmeal like this:


14,123 posted on 07/19/2002 7:16:29 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Corin Stormhands
on the Demo burger you get told what's best for you

Good one bro... I like this Heinlein quote:
"There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him."

14,124 posted on 07/19/2002 7:16:58 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: HairOfTheDog
Ohh, ok... I thought maybe the Demo burger was a tofu burger with bean sprouts on it...
14,125 posted on 07/19/2002 7:18:18 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Corin Stormhands
I hope there is some good barbeque... this is our local town fair, more like a carnival than a fair. Those are later in the year. This has food and carnie booths, rides, that sort of thing. I might win a goldfish!

There will be a parade tomorrow that I am trying to get anyone interested in going to (no one wants to go to the parade!) and there will be fireworks.
14,126 posted on 07/19/2002 7:19:51 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed
One for taste, one for health, and one for... later. :)

Time to go to work here, back at lunchtime!
14,127 posted on 07/19/2002 7:20:26 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Not even the democrats eat tofu 'round these parts!
14,128 posted on 07/19/2002 7:21:32 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: g'nad
Your evening sounds good too g'nad! We just had a gathering like that at my brothers birthday at the beach... meat, beer, Wild Turkey, cigars (for the boys) and the potato cannon.
14,129 posted on 07/19/2002 7:23:56 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
You mean Demo Burgers aren't those wussy PETA veggie-burgers?
14,130 posted on 07/19/2002 7:27:57 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
No... the democrats served up greasy burgers made from a cow with grilled onions! - Does that make you respect them just a bit?
14,131 posted on 07/19/2002 7:30:24 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
No...it makes me think they're cozying up to the moderates.
14,132 posted on 07/19/2002 7:37:23 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
and the potato cannon.

Potato cannon, eh?...I've heard about those...what's your brother's made outta?

14,133 posted on 07/19/2002 7:39:50 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: Overtaxed
hehehehe - Actually, the Demo stand is legit... The GOP stand is fairly new. When I was growing up there were always Demo Burgers, they were standard fare. No boot the the Repos. I wondered about it. Apparently others wondered too, so the GOP stand went up about five years ago.

Of course, now the stand that is missing is the stand for the large local militant anarchy faction. They are our Lesbian/eco-terrorist/Peta types in town. Of course, it is probably too hard for them to get organized... and maybe they know no one buys food from people with face piercings, even at the fair.
14,134 posted on 07/19/2002 7:45:52 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I might win a goldfish!

Oooh!! Let me know. I know all about caring for goldfish...

Yours sounds more like our County Fair. Same type of stuff. We prefer the State Fair, cause you can pay one price for everything. At the County Fair, you pay per ride. We sorta balked when we figured out it would cost us $13.00 for three of us to ride the Ferris wheel. But they have "wristband days" where you can ride all day long for ten bucks. Much better deal for us.

14,135 posted on 07/19/2002 7:58:12 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Overtaxed
Okay, I'll take one from column "A" and one (or more) from column "B."
14,136 posted on 07/19/2002 7:58:53 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog
and there will be fireworks.

Will you have to drug the livestock again?

14,137 posted on 07/19/2002 7:59:37 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: g'nad; Ramius
Potato cannon, eh?...I've heard about those...what's your brother's made outta?

Made out of PVC Plumbing stuff...

The spark comes from the striker from a Coleman lantern. Drill a hole and install the lighter inside with the striker sticking out and seal it.

Stuff the potato all the way down with a tamper (little round red potatos work best, must fit tight)

Open the chamber, (Ramius's has an screw-on cap) and pour in the accellerant. Lighter fluid is what we use most often.

Close it up, turn it around slowly to disperse and evaporate the accelerant, point it in a safe direction and flick the starter. (the potatos go 100 yards or more depending on the quality of the load)

Here is Ramius and his potato cannon, photo taken last weekend at his birthday!


And since Webshots sucks, here is the pic URL... if/when the picture breaks... paste this in your browser:
http://community.webshots.com/storage/1/v4/1/97/93/43619793ooDkGb_ph.jpg

14,138 posted on 07/19/2002 8:00:23 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
BTW, I think the sentence "No boot the the Repos. " is supposed to say "No booth for the Repos" but I am not sure what I was trying to say now.
14,139 posted on 07/19/2002 8:02:39 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
I prefer column "B" myself. Is it 4:00 yet?
14,140 posted on 07/19/2002 8:03:41 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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