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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: ksen
We haven't had cable for going on 6 months now. We don't even use the rabbit ears. Nobody in the house has missed it, we range in ages from 5 years to 34 years old.

We dropped cable (except for the modem) four or five years ago.

13,761 posted on 07/17/2002 4:13:34 PM PDT by Rocko
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To: ksen
We have the TV on constantly... sometimes 2 or 3 of them through the house. We're not always watching them, but if we're home at least one is usually on.

We have cable too... more than a hundred different channels.
13,762 posted on 07/17/2002 4:27:44 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Good Evening ALL! I am home!

Bear, I am most like you... my TV is on prett'near 24 hours a day... often muted, but on. Leave it tuned to MSNBC with the sound off... or I put it on Animal Planet for the dog, she likes that.

Yes I know that the faith should lead me to Fox News, but I just don't like them... MSNBC has better anchors, and IME, better breaking news coverage... except for Phil, who is on at the moment.

13,763 posted on 07/17/2002 5:59:01 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: ksen
"Has anybody here ever seen The Cider House Rules? "

I haven't seen it, but started reading the book (on which I guess it's based) somewhere back in the 80's. It was so depressing, I didn't finish it, a rarity for me.

I wasn't so politically aware back then, so if it was trying to make a point (probably was), I wouldn't have cared, even if I had noticed it.

I had previously read The World According to Garp, by the same author, which I had liked. Not sure if I would still like it.

13,764 posted on 07/17/2002 6:03:03 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: HairOfTheDog
My TV is usually on all the time...mostly for background noise. I'm usually on TVLand, AMC, TCM, racing, or ballgames. Right now I have on the Tropicana 400 for the second time this week. :)
13,765 posted on 07/17/2002 6:09:29 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
Home here too, finally... eating dinner and watching Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon on the Action Movie channel. Fabulous movie, by the way... saw it for the first time Saturday night, and I'd recommend it. The swordfighting scenes are incredible!

Anyway, have the same opinion regarding Fox's breaking news coverage here. We do watch the replay of Brit Hume's Special Report every night, though.

13,766 posted on 07/17/2002 6:12:10 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Sam Cree
I don't think my brother finished the Cider House book either... He said it was r e a l l y s l o w . . . So I never tried it.

Hullo OT! How was your day? Bear didn't like his, and I guess I didn't either 'cuz I was in the city.
13,767 posted on 07/17/2002 6:12:21 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
It was okay except for when I had to go into the freezer for frozen dirt. :)
13,768 posted on 07/17/2002 6:14:47 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed; Bear_in_RoseBear
Hullo! - Forgot to ping you to the post where I said hullo!

I started leaving it on MSNBC when I started watching Imus in the Morning, which I like... I can't stand the chatty coffee club over at Fox in the morning. If they were in my living room I would shoot them... better the crusty cowboy in the morning for me. When Imus is over, I go into monitor mode and mute it... often play the radio, or a soundtrack ;~D
13,769 posted on 07/17/2002 6:16:30 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed
The freezer sounds wonderful at the moment... It is hot here!
13,770 posted on 07/17/2002 6:17:06 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
-23 degrees C...and I could still work up a sweat.
13,771 posted on 07/17/2002 6:22:58 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
If I'm home during the weekday, I'll sometimes put it on CNBC to watch the markets fluctuate, or just leave it off... at least until my soaps start. :)
13,772 posted on 07/17/2002 6:27:47 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: JenB; HairOfTheDog; ksen; Overtaxed; Lucius Cornelius Sulla; 2Jedismom; Bear_in_RoseBear
Hope you're around later

I'm here for a few minutes. We've got company coming tonite. I also have four new goldfish. (they don't keep me from freep-time, but the company will) The guy at PetsMart said I probably wasn't changing the water often enough and that's why we lost the others.

13,773 posted on 07/17/2002 6:27:50 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: ksen
The movie struck me as being a propaganda vehicle for the abortion industry.

That's why we've never watched it.

13,774 posted on 07/17/2002 6:29:20 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Overtaxed
Sounds good to me...

They are talking drizzle tonight... I find it hard to believe that any rain that came down would not bring some thinder with it in this heat!
13,775 posted on 07/17/2002 6:33:42 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
at least until my soaps start. :)

hehehehe. you mentioned that once before and I let it slip... which soap do you watch? I watched the ABC soaps... AMC, GH... and such 10 years ago, but I haven't watched them now in years.

13,776 posted on 07/17/2002 6:37:19 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
Well, hi!

Are you going to give the new goldfish new names, or keep the old names?
13,777 posted on 07/17/2002 6:37:21 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog
They are talking drizzle tonight...

I've heard of rain. What's it like when water falls from the sky?

It hit 100 here today and water rationing is just around the corner. The Governor held a press conference today to encouge voluntary rationing.

13,778 posted on 07/17/2002 6:37:40 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Are you going to give the new goldfish new names, or keep the old names?

I think I'll let Corin, Jr. decide. He's still out of town (gets back Friday) and doesn't know about the first four.

13,779 posted on 07/17/2002 6:39:05 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Well I hope you get some rain soon... sorry you are so parched! I hate being parched. We had bad drought last year, this year is pretty normal... It is rare for us to go two weeks without any rain.
13,780 posted on 07/17/2002 6:40:12 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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