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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

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To: 2Jedismom
I don't think fiddle varnish and beer go together too well.
13,661 posted on 07/16/2002 3:45:29 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: 2Jedismom
It is an awfully dark beer... Makin' me sleepy just thinking about it!
13,662 posted on 07/16/2002 3:47:51 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I think if I ever make to Ireland, I might drink one of them (or more likely, a few sips).
13,663 posted on 07/16/2002 3:58:27 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Speaking of Ireland, I'm going out for pizza. See you all this evening.

We should chat later! Steve is not coming in till late, working on a paper.
13,664 posted on 07/16/2002 4:01:01 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: ksen; Bear_in_RoseBear
" It eventually got to where I really didn't want to put it down."

That sounds encouraging vis a vis whether to read it or not.

"His views on sexuality, as reflected in this book, left something to be desired, in my opinion. I definitely wouldn't give it to my 11 year old daughter to read. "

But did you think he necessarily approved of such casual marriages? 'Course there's alot of stuff that I think is really OK for us that I wouldn't have wanted my kids to read, when they were little.

His being a Mormon does seem to ring a bell.

13,665 posted on 07/16/2002 4:18:06 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Overtaxed; 2Jedismom
How much are the French and the Irish related, do you think, considering that Gaelic and Gallic are almost the same word. France and Ireland both seem to cause problems sometimes, without, IMHO, sufficient reason.

I'm 1/4 Irish, FWIW.

13,666 posted on 07/16/2002 4:23:08 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: 2Jedismom
Speaking of Ireland, I'm going out for pizza.

LOL! - Did you really mean what you just said? See you later on tonight!

13,667 posted on 07/16/2002 4:26:03 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Did you really mean what you just said?

How long have we been friends? ;-)

13,668 posted on 07/16/2002 4:27:26 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Long enough to overlook it! Nevermind! - Have a great time jigging for your pizza!
13,669 posted on 07/16/2002 4:30:17 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I see on that (interesting) link, Bear, that Card lives in Greensboro, N.C., Overtaxed's state.

Didn't realize the guy was that prolific a writer.

13,670 posted on 07/16/2002 4:39:46 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: HairOfTheDog; Bear_in_RoseBear; Overtaxed; 2Jedismom; g'nad
next you'll be quoting from Rocky Horror Picture Show...

Uh, ahem, I am a Rocky Horror Picture Show virgin. (I've never seen it in the theater).

The first part of it I think is pretty funny (I even know the steps to "Time Warp"). But once they go "upstairs" I've had about all I can take of that one...

I'm a big fan of Little Shop of Horrors. I've actually thought about writing a book about raising a middle-schooler and calling it Little Shop of Hormones.

Let's put it this way Bear, I'm pretty conservative. But I'm also one of those "artsy" types... some people call it schizophrenia

13,671 posted on 07/16/2002 4:44:22 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
The first part of it I think is pretty funny (I even know the steps to "Time Warp"). But once they go "upstairs" I've had about all I can take of that one...

Sounds pretty fair to me!

13,672 posted on 07/16/2002 4:48:10 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed
'How about parents who leave their little ones with older siblings?'

Depends oh how often they do that. As far as I can remember, my parents left us with younger siblings less than five times throughout our (me and my older sister) teens (and they even fretted about that.)

In my family we have a story about my father's parents and their family. They were Finnish immigrants and moved to a homestead in far northern Minnesota (near Ely, 100 miles north of Duluth for those who know the area). My grandmother was already 35 years old when she started her family(about 1890). This was before cars, roads, or snow plows in that part of the world. My grandmother proceeded to have 15 children who survived childhood diseases.

What with work clearing the trees and raising crops, in addition to the work in providing for such a large household, before labor saving gadgets, while my grandfather spent much of his time employed at the iron mines in the Mesabi range, there was a lot of time when most of the work caring for the younger children was handled by the older children. My father was born about 20 years after his oldest sibling, and a few were born after him (my grandmother had children nearly until she was 60!!).

Of course, the children were not left alone, as there would have been very few occasions for my grandmother to leave the homestead, except for church. One result of this is that my father was friendliest with some of his nieces and nephews, who were his age (one niece was Maid of Honor at my parents wedding).

I think that you are talking about parents who are going off and giving total responsibility to the children as baby sitters, not this old style large family job sharing referred to here. I am sorry to have gone on so much about my family history, but we are fond of these not so old stories. This vigorous lifestyle must be good for you, since both of my father's parents lived into their 90's, passing away at home in the 1950's.

13,673 posted on 07/16/2002 4:50:36 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Corin Stormhands
I've never seen it in the theater

Neither have I... I have seen it many times on video and on cable, though. On the other hand, I've never seen Little Shop of Horrors.

13,674 posted on 07/16/2002 4:56:25 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Time for me to head for home... just in case I don't make it back later tonight, have a good evening all.
13,675 posted on 07/16/2002 4:56:56 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
I enjoyed reading about your family history alot. After all, family is everything, really.

You probably already know that Finnish, a non Scandinavian language whose roots I don't know, was one of JRRT's favorite languages.

"This vigorous lifestyle must be good for you, since both of my father's parents lived into their 90's, passing away at home in the 1950's."

I wonder about the diet, bet it wasn't low fat. More likely, less sugar. And the necessity to move alot in those days. At 54, I'm the oldest living member of my family, which is a frightening thought.

13,676 posted on 07/16/2002 5:07:01 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
"... just in case I don't make it back later tonight"

That sounds forbidding. Hope you'll be OK.

13,677 posted on 07/16/2002 5:08:51 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
You probably already know that Finnish, a non Scandinavian language whose roots I don't know, was one of JRRT's favorite languages.

Yes, I found that out years after I started reading LOTR. Finnish is one of the Finno-Ugric languages (including Estonian, it's closest relation, and Magyar (Hungarian), it also has relatives with only remnants remaining within the Soviet Union, such as Samoyed. There is a theory that it is related to Turkish and therefor to the Tartar languages, and possibly even to Mongolian and its relatives. It is not related to the European languages (Germanic, Romance, Keltic, Greek, Slavic, etc. any nearly as close as is Hindu or Persian, since these languages are all part of the Indo-European language family, which Finnish is most certainly not.

The Finnish culture is also alien to even it's Scandinavian neighbors, except for recent cultural osmosis. I guess that Tolkien got involved with Finnish because of his interest in northern culture and languages, and came in contact with Finnish because of it's geographical closeness, contrasting with it's cultural and linguistic alien nature, which made it interesting to him. This is conjecture on my part, since I have not read the letters, or the analysis of his linguistic creations in LOTR.

13,678 posted on 07/16/2002 5:26:43 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Sam Cree
How much are the French and the Irish related, do you think, considering that Gaelic and Gallic are almost the same word.

French mothers and Irish mothers were both mothers? (nyuck, nyuck, nyuck.) I think the roots of the words "Gaelic" and "Gallic" are different. "Gallic" has a Latin root and "Gaelic" has a Gaelic root.

13,679 posted on 07/16/2002 5:28:11 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Sam Cree
Card lives in Greensboro, N.C.,

I'm an hour away from Greensboro.

13,680 posted on 07/16/2002 5:29:37 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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