Denethor 
Theoden 
Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
When I saw it I thought it was Denethor too, I confused his poem (spoken by Aragorn in the book) with the mournful comments Denethor says about Boromir.
Ahhh...I found the poem. Aragorn says it in the book. It's about Eorl the Young, so it's certainly Theoden.
The whole crowd of us just went burzurk. I literally perspired! My hands were shaking! I was pretty excited!
Denethor
Theoden
Keep an eye out for bootlegs!
In the scene where Merry and Pippin are sitting together looking at something, Merry does indeed have his wound on his forehead!
I still can't get over Gandalf. And Grima! Yeck!
Where now the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing?Songs and Poems in the Lord of the Rings
Where is the helm and the hauberk, and the bright hair flowing?
Where is the hand on the harpstring, and the red fire glowing?
Where is the spring and the harvest and the tall corn growing?
They have passed like rain on the mountain, like a wind in the meadow;
The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow.
Who shall gather the smoke of the dead wood burning,
Or behold the flowing years from the Sea returning?
Pretty sure that's Eomer.
from alt.fan.tolkien:
The 39MB .mov file now going around WinMX is one of the earlier trailers for FOTR, although it's named The Two Towers. The smaller .avi file you might find named The Two Towers with a (2002)[DiVX] tag is a clip from some Brad Pitt movie.I've seen a couple of requests on news://alt.binaries.multimedia for the TTT trailer. If someone records the trailer, especially one of the regular rippers/bootleggers of movies and trailers, that's the newsgroup where you'll find it posted very soon, and it'll be the real deal. Or else the newsgroup will get all over the person's case soon afterwards. Trust the long-standing newsgroups first before the file-sharing services, that's where I've had the best luck finding good-quality LOTR and other sf/fantasy specials. There are too many rip-offs and porn clips under other names on WinMX and Morpheus, except that I did luck out on Morpheus a while back to grab the animations of The Hobbit and Bakshi's LOTR.
Interestingly, it did refer to the same review by Edwin Muir that you identified. The following passage is on pg. 148.
"Edwin Muir's complaint was that the whole work was sub adult in its painlessness. 'The good boys, having fought a deadly battle, emerge at the end of it triumphant and happy, as boys would naturally expect to do.' There is a simple reply to this, which is to say that Frodo does not end up well or happy, and that he avoids any suggestion of triumph, seeming in the end incurably scarred, a 'burnt out case.' He is admittedly taken away to be cured of his wounds, like King Arthur... But there are other people, and creatures and things, which cannot be taken away or healed. In fact, it is much easier to make out a case for Tolkien being a pessimist than as a foolish or childish optomist; it is another of the qualities that mark him out from most of those who have imitated him.
Thus, it is obvious that many of the senior characters in the Lord of the Rings envisage defeat as a long term prospect. Galadriel says 'Through the ages of the world, we have fought the long defeat.' ... The whole history of Middle Earth seems to show that good is attained only at vast expense while evil recuperates almost at will... Morever, it is made extremely clear that even the destruction of the ring and the overthrow of Sauron will conform to the general pattern of fruitlessness...The destruction of the ring, says Galadriel, will mean that her ring and Gandalf's and Elrond's will all lose their power, so that Lothlorien 'fades' and the elves dwindle. Along with them will go the Ents and the dwarves, indeed the whole of Middle Earth, to be replaced be modernity and the dominion of men."
The passage then goes on to suggest that Tolkien placed his characters in such seeming hopless circumstances in order to give them opportunity to show courage against evil and rise above. He therefore removed "easy hope from them."
Does anyone know where in the South Miami area LOTR is being shown with the preview?
I always wondered why the Elves couldn't make new rings and rebuild. Or is rebuilding strictly a Man thing.
I did read somewhere, I think, that the elves were not even supposed to be on Middle Earth, but had gone there so that they could be "artists," or be of a higher caste, and have powers. I definitely read that Galadriel was there through participation in some kind of rebellion, but was forgiven (because she resisted the temptation of the ring and its power) and was allowed to return to the west. So, just as most of the Numenoreans were destroyed for attempting to go to the land of immortality, the elves were not going to be allowed to remain on Middle Earth.
Another reason to bash Elves. They came to ME just so they could lord it over everyone else! It figures. :D
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