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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Overtaxed; 2Jedismom
Don't get me started on parents who leave their kids at the toy store while they do grocery shopping, use public libraries for after school care, or otherwise expect strangers to look after their children.

In the ongoing saga of "why the heck did I agree to be President of the pool association..." we were at a friend's house for dinner last week. The phone rang and it was for me. I thought it was my 13-year-old or his 16-year-old cousin. We'd left them at home with the two-year-old. Startled me, cause they were only supposed to call in an emergency.

It was a pool member with a complaint (the 13-year-old now knows we're to be called only if blood or 911 are involved...). She was po'd because the lifeguard made her daughter and step-son leave the pool.

What she didn't tell me (and I found out later) was that she and her mother (with whom she lives) are the pool members. Her children are not on the membership, so she has to bring them and pay for them as guests, which she did. However, the rules state that the member must be present at all times. She left and, according to the guard in question, was gone for several hours. (member kids, 9 or older can stay without an adult once they've proven they can swim the length of the pool)

She threatened a lawsuit (her daughter is nine, but step-son is 16). So she's getting a strongly worded letter with a copy of the rules (especially the part that says we can revoke her membership).

13,581 posted on 07/16/2002 6:24:01 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands; 2Jedismom; g'nad; Overtaxed; JenB; HairOfTheDog; Lucius Cornelius Sulla; All
Good morning everyone... another rainy day in Austin, more flood watches out, and everything is setting my nerves on edge today. I think I need more sleep.

Have a good day, all.
13,582 posted on 07/16/2002 6:25:07 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: g'nad
I've used that phrase several times in public...always good for a few stares...

Not many people get that...he hates those cans...sneak

13,583 posted on 07/16/2002 6:25:31 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: JenB
How about parents who leave their little ones with older siblings?

Depends oh how often they do that. As far as I can remember, my parents left us with younger siblings less than five times throughout our (me and my older sister) teens (and they even fretted about that.)

13,584 posted on 07/16/2002 6:27:19 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Good morning everyone... another rainy day in Austin...

And another dry day here. We got a good soak Sunday, but we're still way behind.

Maybe you could get Sheila Jackson-Mars-Lee to give an outdoor speech in Austin and have the hot air push that rain front to the east coast...

13,585 posted on 07/16/2002 6:28:21 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: JenB
How about parents who leave their little ones with older siblings?

We do that on a very limited basis. Our 13-year-old is, well, 13. So he can watch his younger brother for short periods of time (Mom runs to the store, etc.), but there's no diaper changing involved and precious little else.

My wife remembers being forced to watch her neices when she was a teenager. Her older sister actually said to her (when she said she had something else to do), "well, if you loved them, you would take care of them." My wife's response was "well, if you loved me, you'd pay me." (It didn't change anything, but that's a whole 'nother book.)

13,586 posted on 07/16/2002 6:38:16 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: All; Corin Stormhands; Overtaxed; JenB; 2Jedismom; Bear_in_RoseBear; Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Just woke up and fed the ponies. Gonna be a warm one here!

What about parents that... that... hmmm... I guess I don't have any bad parent rants this morning!

Hullo! - Good Morning!

13,587 posted on 07/16/2002 6:38:42 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Good morning everyone... another rainy day in Austin, more flood watches out,

Hope you're happy with your rainfall < /sarcasm >. Around here they're estimating less than 200 days of water left for town water supplies.

13,588 posted on 07/16/2002 6:41:42 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Corin Stormhands
Not many people get that...

Get what?... We don't have a bagel shop within 5 miles of our church...it's a shame...blatant sneakin’…

13,589 posted on 07/16/2002 6:46:04 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: g'nad
Get what?...

The "phonebook" reference.

13,590 posted on 07/16/2002 6:47:49 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog
mornin' Hair...coffee?
13,591 posted on 07/16/2002 6:49:32 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: Overtaxed; Corin Stormhands
Well, I'd rather have rain than 100 degree highs for a week. But, despite the fact that we've had so much rain recently that the slightest additional amount triggers flash floods, the Weather Service is still saying we're several inches of rainfall behind our "normal" yearly total. I'm not sure I can figure that out, unless it's been raining everywhere except at the airport....
13,592 posted on 07/16/2002 6:49:47 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Corin Stormhands; g'nad
I got the reference... I was surprised to see it coming from you, though, Corin. I wouldn't think that movie would be to your taste...
13,593 posted on 07/16/2002 6:51:05 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Corin Stormhands
The "phonebook" reference.

Pssst...I was bein' facetious...still sneakin’…

13,594 posted on 07/16/2002 6:51:15 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Sorry your edgy Bear...rest when you can... any danger to your home? sneakin’…
13,595 posted on 07/16/2002 6:53:41 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: g'nad
Oooh! - Thank you very much!

[sip] [sip]

What's news? - gonna take a look 'round.
13,596 posted on 07/16/2002 7:00:11 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: g'nad
any danger to your home?

From the rain, or from my edginess? Well, no danger from either one actually... house is on high ground, and my edginess is under control.

Life will be a lot more simple when we can afford two cars again, though. A lot of my edginess stems from trying to arrange my and my wife's schedules to deal with getting to two jobs and run errands using a single auto.

13,597 posted on 07/16/2002 7:01:13 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog
What's news?

Well, Jesus is supposedly gay...be careful, there's no BARF ALERT...

13,598 posted on 07/16/2002 7:03:31 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
But you know, that's a statement as to the wealth of our country, and how we've been blessed...80% of the world could never dream of having one car...be at peace brother...
13,599 posted on 07/16/2002 7:06:42 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: Corin Stormhands
Mine?...sneakin’…
13,600 posted on 07/16/2002 7:08:15 AM PDT by g'nad
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