The New Hobbit Hole

[Bear_in_RoseBear]

I dunno... I haven't clarified my own thoughts on bootlegs. For instance, I have a wall full of a couple hundred VHS tapes, all made from TV using my own VCR. Mostly copies of my favorite TV episodes, but some movies as well. Some of them are available commercially, some aren't. So, is that stealing? Or is it fair use? And, what is the essential difference in taping a movie from a cable channel I pay for, and taping a movie I'm watching in a theater, that I paid to enter?

Hmmmm......

Too tired to solve it tonight, I'm afraid.

[HairOfTheDog]

I think it becomes less like stealing the longer it has been on the market... Movies have high value before they become available on TV... and less value afterward... most of their expected income from sales and rentals has already happened by the time it is on TV, and after that, reproduction is impossible to control. It's value has expired.

TV episodes and movies that are not in high demand, or made-for-tv movies have little or no retail value. If you tape them, you are not cheating a creator who is producing them for sale. Their sale was to the network that played it. Further sales are rare.

I don't think buying a ticket in a theater (or 15 tickets like I purchased) in any way pays for me to steal it to take home with me, though the number of tickets does ease my guilt.

[Bear_in_RoseBear]

I'm going to have to ponder it for a while...

In the meantime, I'm wore out. Time for bed here. Have a good night!

[HairOfTheDog]

Goodnight Bear!

[Overtaxed]

I will buy them both...

What? You think money grows on trees?

Good Morning everyone!

[Overtaxed]

[Rocko]

Oh, planning on buying both DVDs here too... I'm a completist.

Did you buy all 17 versions of the soundtrack? You know, the limited fake leather packaging version, the Frodo cover version, the Pippin cover version, the enhanced Internet link version, the Gandalf cover version, the....

[JenB]

Good morning! It's Saturday, I have to do something before I work... maybe the bookstore!

[Overtaxed]

Just finishing breakfast. Will be out to the garden soon to hack some weeds and plant collards.

[htur_75]

I haven't clarified my own thoughts on bootlegs.

I know that I can be considered guilty of bootlegging. As far as the movie, I am not sorry I got the bootleg. I am not going to sell it to anyone, nor do I have the bootleg so that I don't have to pay for the DVD. I still plan on buying the DVD when it comes out in Nov. My problem with bootlegging is when someone copies something and sells it, or doesn't buy the copyrighted version. I have VHS tapes of movies, but most of them I can't find in stores. For example, I have a taped version of Dante's Peak. I taped it so that I would have a copy till I can find and afford to buy the DVD. There are a couple of other movies that I can't find (and I've looked), so the only way I can see them when I want is to tape them.

[htur_75]

I understand the theatrical version DVD will have some features not on the expanded version, to encourage the fanatics to buy both.

I hadn't heard that. I'll have to check into htat. I still can't afford to buy both though.

[Overtaxed]

We cheapsk....uh...financially challenged have to stick to our budgets and I have to buy a DVD player first. :)

[htur_75]

I like that little slip there. LOL If things change financially by the time the first edition comes out we may consider buying it. Probably not though. I still can't justify buying two DVD's of the same movie, when one will end up gathering dust.

[HairOfTheDog]

Hullo! Good Morning!!

Been trying to get in and say hi! But my ISP has been down... called AT&T - they are having some national problems today... hopefully it is fixed because I appear to be here!

I hate having that gremlin in my system, because if it doesn't work, I think it is still me, even when it isn't!

Going up to the Beach house later today to celepbrate my brother's Birthday so I will be away till tomorrow... but who knows... I may log in from up there!

[HairOfTheDog]

Hullo! Good Morning!!

Been trying to get in and say hi! But my ISP has been down... called AT&T - they are having some national problems today... hopefully it is fixed because I appear to be here!

I hate having that gremlin in my system, because if it doesn't work, I think it is still me, even when it isn't!

Going up to the Beach house later today to celepbrate my brother's Birthday so I will be away till tomorrow... but who knows... I may log in from up there!

[HairOfTheDog]

hehehe - oops... I thought I caught it in time to stop that first one! forgot to add all the names in!

[htur_75]

WHere is everyone? Did the hobbits stay up too late last night, drinking too many pints? Or is it is because I am on central and many others are on pacific? Hmmmm. I may never know. (Sorry. In a strange mood today.)

[Overtaxed]

I'll be outside most of the day but I'm planning on checking in from time to time.

After last week I don't even want to think about "financial situations". I'll have to work on increasing my repetoire...I might end up having to play on street corners! :)

[htur_75]

After last week I don't even want to think about "financial situations".

I'm there with you.

[JenB]

Hello! Went shopping, and to the used bookstore. I found a book I know I will like that I haven't read it for two bucks, so I'm happy. Also I got back a highly-commented story from my most professional beta reader, so all in all I'm pretty happy. Working in an hour, though, so I've got to make now count.